Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Rewatch Episode 17 Discussion
# Episode 17: [Take Care](https://files.catbox.moe/wzneoh.jpg)
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## Streams:
[Crunchyroll](https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/GG5H5XQX4/frieren-beyond-journeys-end)
[bilibili](https://www.bilibili.tv/en/media/2090295)
[Hulu](https://www.hulu.com/series/1d4725f8-06d1-43fb-a077-72143ac5502f)
[Netflix](https://www.netflix.com/title/81726714)
[Prime Video](https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0PHTCTLN7E6QH3XNVJ6K2NBCCT)
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## Currently disclosed information:
> Since we had special ending credits yesterday I'm expecting new op today. Nope.
u/JustAnswerAQuestion, you got the new OP and ED that you asked.
OP: [Haru (晴る) by Yorushika](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkvWJNt77mU)
ED: Anytime Anywhere by milet (same music, but different part - I won't link it again, because I did at back in episode 1)
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## Questions for the day:
1) Sein is parting way to become a solo adventurer in order to find the Gorilla Warrior. Do you think he will succeed? Is this what ~~Himmel~~ his friend would approve?
2) Any chance we will see him again later on?
3) Do you agree that even adults also need emotional support?
4) Can you imagine Frieren as a typical witch?
5) Can ordinary mages learn holy magic?
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## Highlights from yesterday:
1) Dementia is a bad thing:
> Well this does have a depressing thought about Himmel and co. as eventually people won't even remember their names just that they were heroes that did something important and even Frieren will probably eventually forget things about it, which is probably another reason Voll's failing memory freaked her out. Kind of get why Kraft is hoping the Goddess is keeping track.
> Dementia is only of my biggest fears. Feels so cruel that our memories are not forever. They're so precious but so fragile.
> I fear the day when I begin forgetting my dearest memories. That terrorizes me.
This boomer man (that is me) can agree as well.
2) The photography magic actually picked u/Magnafeana's curiosity as well:
> The “take a photo with magic” had me more curious about magi and technology and patenting and inventing here. What prevents a lot of these spells from being commodified for usage at least from nobles? Such as building devices that people can use without requiring them to cast a spell? What exactly is the priority of the government and any magic institution? Magic used for combat purposes seems to be studied upon, but non-combat spells are used like currency. The concept of a “photo” still seems not fashionable either. Was this wandering mage a genius?
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## Annotations from the host:
Even this is Christmas today, we are still progressing with this according to the schedule.
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## Disclaimer notice:
Dear rewatchers, please be nice to the first-time watchers or the manga readers to the anime-onlies by simply not spoilering anything. But if you want to discuss spoiler-territory things, use spoiler tags instead. Thank you for your understanding.
For example [this is] >!a spoiler!<
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## Links, useful info:
[MAL](https://myanimelist.net/anime/52991)
[Anilist](https://anilist.co/anime/154587/Frieren-Beyond-Journeys-End/)
[Anidb](https://anidb.net/anime/17617)
[Kitsu](https://kitsu.app/anime/46474)
[Livechart](https://www.livechart.me/anime/11376)
[ANN](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=26334)
[AP](https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/frieren-beyond-journeys-end)
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## Streams:
[Crunchyroll](https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/GG5H5XQX4/frieren-beyond-journeys-end)
[bilibili](https://www.bilibili.tv/en/media/2090295)
[Hulu](https://www.hulu.com/series/1d4725f8-06d1-43fb-a077-72143ac5502f)
[Netflix](https://www.netflix.com/title/81726714)
[Prime Video](https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0PHTCTLN7E6QH3XNVJ6K2NBCCT)
***
## Currently disclosed information:
> Since we had special ending credits yesterday I'm expecting new op today. Nope.
u/JustAnswerAQuestion, you got the new OP and ED that you asked.
OP: [Haru (晴る) by Yorushika](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkvWJNt77mU)
ED: Anytime Anywhere by milet (same music, but different part - I won't link it again, because I did at back in episode 1)
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## Questions for the day:
1) Sein is parting way to become a solo adventurer in order to find the Gorilla Warrior. Do you think he will succeed? Is this what ~~Himmel~~ his friend would approve?
2) Any chance we will see him again later on?
3) Do you agree that even adults also need emotional support?
4) Can you imagine Frieren as a typical witch?
5) Can ordinary mages learn holy magic?
***
## Highlights from yesterday:
1) Dementia is a bad thing:
> Well this does have a depressing thought about Himmel and co. as eventually people won't even remember their names just that they were heroes that did something important and even Frieren will probably eventually forget things about it, which is probably another reason Voll's failing memory freaked her out. Kind of get why Kraft is hoping the Goddess is keeping track.
> Dementia is only of my biggest fears. Feels so cruel that our memories are not forever. They're so precious but so fragile.
> I fear the day when I begin forgetting my dearest memories. That terrorizes me.
This boomer man (that is me) can agree as well.
2) The photography magic actually picked u/Magnafeana's curiosity as well:
> The “take a photo with magic” had me more curious about magi and technology and patenting and inventing here. What prevents a lot of these spells from being commodified for usage at least from nobles? Such as building devices that people can use without requiring them to cast a spell? What exactly is the priority of the government and any magic institution? Magic used for combat purposes seems to be studied upon, but non-combat spells are used like currency. The concept of a “photo” still seems not fashionable either. Was this wandering mage a genius?
***
## Annotations from the host:
Even this is Christmas today, we are still progressing with this according to the schedule.
***
## Disclaimer notice:
Dear rewatchers, please be nice to the first-time watchers or the manga readers to the anime-onlies by simply not spoilering anything. But if you want to discuss spoiler-territory things, use spoiler tags instead. Thank you for your understanding.
For example [this is] >!a spoiler!<
***
[Until then...stay tuned!](https://v.animethemes.moe/SousouNoFrieren-ED1v2.webm)
Commentaires
...But in exchange for this gift, Sein is leaving. And that's... um... one of the strangest decisions in this story? I mean, yes, Sein only temporarily joined them and always intended to go on his own journey later, but... ***THREE*** episodes. He was part of the main cast for ***THREE*** episodes. And that's after we spent quite a bit of time recruiting him. We just got an episode dedicated to him about how you should trust your teammates. That's too fast.
I can only speculate, but honestly, it feels like the author quickly regretted introducing him so early on. Perhaps his magic was TOO convenient for future storylines, considering that literally the next half of the episode is devoted to Fern's illness. Perhaps he was too mature for such an early stage of the plot — the characters could simply turn to him for advice and solve their problems, as in the first half of the episode. But in any case, goodbye, Sein - you were a good addition to the team. I hope you will rejoin the main group someday.
I am just not feeling this rewatch today. Not because of Christmas, but rather this boomer man just watched a *bombastic* Christmas movie (which is not even Christmas-y at all), with a *devilish* twist. I gave you some hints what I thinking about.
Yet another huge blizzard needs to be survived in a cabin. But this time it is a house in a village. But that is the Northern Lands for you. Sein is drinking, Stark and Fern in lovers quarrel once more. And the Goatee Priest can help once more as a mediator. Stark did something what a boy would do. Why would be angry for that.
After it is time to depart for Sein as he his own trail to follow. Frieren's party is back to 3 members once again. Frieren is overslept as usual, Fern is sick, it is just a cold. But Sein left a parting a gift, one book which is really useful right now. Identify plantrs and illnesses, this is a handy companion, not just for clerics. Only a magic potion can help her. And yes, it is a good time when about humans feelings, emotions and whatnot.
> 1) Sein is parting way to become a solo adventurer in order to find the Gorilla Warrior. Do you think he will succeed? Is this what ~~Himmel~~ his friend would approve?
I think he can succeed. The Gorilla Warrior still waits for him, and he would encourage to ddo so, to listen to his heart, and be an real adventurer.
> 2) Any chance we will see him again later on?
Newver say never.
> 3) Do you agree that even adults also need emotional support?
Yes, even if they are not children, people have to support each other mutually.
> 4) Can you imagine Frieren as a typical witch?
I can.
> 5) Can ordinary mages learn holy magic?
Not exactly, but only a select few.
"Those two should just date already!"
"Just give me twelve more hours..."
Frieren and Sein competing for who can be more relatable.
I see even far away from contemporary Japan, you can't escape the "oddly severe anime cold that requires your close friends and potential love interest to help you out".
Frieren brewing a potion is such gif potential.
It's a trope then.
> Frieren brewing a potion is such gif potential.
Yes, so funny.
The first half was a pretty good farewell to Sein. I like how he's once again able to mediate between Fern and Stark with their little spat. And it's funny how he's gotten so caught up in rooting for them to get together. The little heart-to-heart he has with Frieren as she tells him the reason she helped him was nice as well.
The second half is pretty timely for me, since my whole family and I have been sick these last few days. Seeing this caring, motherly side to Frieren was nice. And I liked how Stark manages to show some wisdom for once, as he talks to Frieren about why Fern shrugged off Frieren's hand. On the other hand, I couldn't help laughing at how he so quickly forgets the lesson from the first part, and touches Frieren's cheek with his cold hand.
New OP, expanded cast. The old OP has been stuck in my head for days.
* I was waiting for summer and it's autumn already
* Can't you use magic to make igloos?
* shops run by ayashiii ryoujin are the best shops
* People who want to go on adventures ARE kids.
* I don't think I could find that much food in the winter forest in 3 days
* Fern's sick and they need a priest....
* watch cow
* Frieren trying to be a parent but she doesn't know how.
* Just don't hold his hand while fern is there
ED concentrates on Frieren and Fern.
I was in Switzerland once. The cows have horns over there.
It's like open source magic. Mages invent spells to scratch an itch.
Magic is like technology.
**First Timer: Beyond Dubbed’s End**
OOP! New OP. Skip for now to avoid any possible spoilers. Unless it’s not spoilery?
Bruh.
Chris Wehkamp being the EN VA is all the sweeter with this episode. Sein should meet Aizawa-sensei and Enjin.
Can Sein be a couples therapist 🥹 Put him on Cinema Therapy, he’d be a perfect guest.
Sein the Goatee Shipper Priest.
I don’t like how often this series makes me fry.
I let out the biggest *Aaaaaawwww* with Fern, she’s so adorable!!
Welp. Frieren didn’t get stuck there, but that was still a side eye from me.
Torterra???
Bulbasaur superiority persists even in Frieren.
Just *aaaawwwwww*
Oh new ED! Still skip for now.
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**First Timer: Beyond Manga’s End**
Ch 35 at 0:21
Anime recaps. Manga has Fern reconfirm where Gorilla is headed.
Anime added flashbacks.
Ch 36 at 12:54
Anime!Himmel says Sick!Frieren was groaning a bit. Manga!Himmel says she was having a nightmare.
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**Additional Thoughts**
Once more, I am wondering how magic works here and where we’re at technology wise. I am befuddled.
I wonder how many parents and caregivers watched this and had a bit of a moment about their kids growing up, thinking of the back half of this episode with Ferb and Frieren.
I have no children, but I had that thought when my granddaddy wasn’t well. I knew him as this caring giant. But it hit me, when I was sitting next to him while he was recovering: he was old. He was old and slow and losing his vision and his hearing. I know he’s always comment how I got taller and I wasn’t the granddaughter he could pick up and plop in his lap, but I never really considered how much I changed in his eyes until I realized how much he changed in mine.
It’s an odd feeling.
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**QotD**
1. I hope so. If Gorilla didn’t return home because he didn’t make a name for himself, I’ll accept it. But I’m still worried.
2. I think so. I agree with u/SpiritualPossible that it feels like Sein left too soon. I guess that it makes sense, with the flow of the story about how people do come and go but we should cherish our moments with them. But even so, just odd how he was briefly there. I hope we do see him again.
3. Oh absolutely. It’s one of my gripes with a more decentralized-culture society: the lack of support and resources adults have. A lot of resources emphasize the emotional support children and adolescents need, but they leave behind the countless adults who need it too, and they need that sort accessible, available, and affordable. It’s not easy for a lot of adults to attain that support.
4. Easily.
5. I’m assuming the more powerful can. But it makes me extremely curious the separation of church and “state” (magery).
Shows some new characters, so unless you consider that spoilers not really.
>Oh new ED! Still skip for now.
Nothing to spoil there, its way more abstract and does not show anything happening in the season.
It's very interesting that the episode where it switches the OP is the one where Sein says farewell. Still, it is no surprise he opts to do this since, unlike Frieren, Fern & Stark, he has his own goal. Though you can tell Sein was happy that they got snowed in. The irony is that even with that, they are doing their usual things.
We get Sein for one last time sorting out Fern & Stark's argument. Another case of Stark being too much of a kid and Fern having trouble communicating her feelings. As Stark putting pressure on her shoulder is something you can understand from Fern's side. Still, no doubt they are likely to have an argument again, and so Frieren needs to be able to handle it. I love how low-key the farewell with Sein is. Sein is an adult, and Frieren knows he can take care of himself. Of course, after spending time with the 3 of them for so long, Sein's comment of how quiet it feels really showed he had a great time traveling with Frieren and company.
It's funny that after Sein leaves, Fern gets sick. Still, it was a good case to show that in terms of the very basics of the goddess magic, Frieren can handle some things. I like this episode to highlight Frieren & Fern's relationship. Frieren isn't good with emotions, but she knows if she doesn't know what to do to help Fern, she can at least hold her hand much like Himmel did in the flashback.
It's funny how in this episode we have both Sein & Fern mentioning how Frieren treats them like a kid. Though with Sein it was something he would comment about and not much else. With Fern, Frieren is her main female role model growing up, and it is natural for Frieren to always look at Fern as a kid. Of course every daughter would want their mom to stop treating them like a child at times. But it more so shows how much Frieren loves Fern.
This episode adapted chapters 35 and 36. There is not much to comment on; a few of the no-dialogue scenes showcasing the music were a bit extended. Also, to add, they were outside in the manga when Stark noticed Fern got sick. While in the anime they were in what seems like under a mountain or in a cave.
* I hope so. Yes.
Any chance we will see him again later on?
* Who knows.
Do you agree that even adults also need emotional support?
* As an adult I say yes.
Can you imagine Frieren as a typical witch?
* I say she is a witch
Can ordinary mages learn holy magic?
* The better quesiton is are they allowed to?
* Definitely enjoyed OP 2 by Yorushika a lot more than OP 1. Just like with the first opening, I listened to it multiple times, read through the lyrics, and tried to understand them, and I did the same with this one. I know it might just be me, but based on the time I’ve spent with the lyrics, it really feels like **Frieren is singing this to Himmel.** The lyrics constantly address a distant “you,” someone absent but still deeply present, which fits how Himmel exists in her life now. Lines like “You're there like a wind, closing your eyes at sunset” and “We go like the sunny wind. Go on and fly over that cloud, further and further away,” painting Himmel as a guiding presence, steadying Frieren even in his absence. Some people also point out that **Himmel literally means “sky” or “heaven” in German**, which fits the story’s themes. His name connects him symbolically to the idea of a guiding light or destination, reinforcing that his influence continues to shape Frieren’s journey.
* Man Sein was such a fantastic character. I am so sad to see him leave, but I have hope that this is not the last time we see him.
* I enjoyed Fern a lot more than I usually do. She was great this episode, and the writing was really on point.
**QotD:**
1. I personally think his friend is dead, but regardless, this journey is about more than just him meeting his friend. It’s about him moving forward and not dwelling in regret for the rest of his life.
2. There’s definitely a chance that they will meet again, although it will probably be in the very far future.
3. Yes, everyone needs emotional support, but as an adult, you need to build resilience. Everyone also has a limit to what they can bear alone.
4. No, I cannot. She is way too cute to be a witch.
5. It seems like they can learn beginner holy magic, but after a certain point, it’s just diminishing returns if you don’t have the natural-born talent for it.
Goodbye Sein! I appreciate how fleeting his time spent with our group of adventurers was, would’ve loved more but not disappointed with what we got
Also appreciate the little Fern and Stark interactions throughout this episode
Legendary Frieren goofy faces this time around, including her witch brewing which was very funny the first time I saw it, still funny this second time around
Also, if y’all didn’t notice, the ending is just the second verse of the same song. Very neat!
Merry Christmas everybody!
[](#eyythisguy)
Kind of funny the new op that has Sein as part of the group first shows up in the episode he leaves in. Also never seen an anime that uses a different part of the first ed song for the second ed.
Welp Sein is heading off on his own, good thing he left notes in case the rest of them had issues.
[](#giveuponlife)
As such, I didn't have the time or energy to watch yesterday's episode and do notes. And it looks like we're not taking a break for Christmas either? I'll try and catch up later today, but no promises. Most likely, I'll be back and caught up for the episode on the 26th.
But since today is the day that Sein formally leaves, and I had an inkling that at least some of our daily questions would touch on that and I wanted to give a few thoughts:
I just really fucking love that the story allowed Sein to leave and go his own way. The man had a goal and a mission of his own and was really open about it, and yet, it seems in so many similar shows like this, the side characters tend to forget about their motivations and just lose themselves in the party. Not so with Sein. He didn't even stick around particularly long! He really wants to go out and find his friend, and when he gets good evidence that GORILLA WARRIOR went in the opposite direction of the one that Frieren and co. are taking, he went his own way. It was nice to travel with you Sein, and hopefully we'll see you again.
[](#toradorasalute)
And in regards to question 2....
[Manga Frieren spoilers for content not yet in the anime] >!I absolutely love how excited the community was in general when first GORILLA WARRIOR and then Sein appeared in the current story arc. So incredibly fucking hype! The fact that they made us (and also Frieren's party) wait so long for the reunion somehow made it that much more awesome. Sadly, it's the arc with all the hiatueses... feels like it's been going on for a while now and I'm probably going to want to reread by the time it starts back up again, hah. I do wonder, though, how much people will be disappointed when Sein doesn't come back in season 2.!<
Anyway, I'll be back fully for either today's episode (if I can) or tomorrow's.
Cameroon won against Gabon in the AFCON (which is just a group stage match), so understandable.
> And it looks like we're not taking a break for Christmas either?
Yes, I said, we are progresssing without any breaks. Just like the D.Gray-man rewatch as well.
> I'll try and catch up later today, but no promises. Most likely, I'll be back and caught up for the episode on the 26th.
There will be huge content in the upcoming episodes. Which you might enjoy and looking forward your opinion there.
Ah there's the OP I've heard before. Thought they'd change it out when the new cour began. Is this when the new cour started? Since there are some 28 episodes total. And new lyrics to the old ED. Still whispering our lullaby though.
Damn, Sein really did leave. It makes sense for him to since finding his friend is obviously very important to him and the primary thing. But through the episode I thought maybe they'd find a way to keep him with Frieren's party.
The blizzard seemed like a good excuse but he barely spent time with them. Then he had to mediate and even mentioned how Frieren wouldn't be able to help Stark fix things with Fern. Thought he'd stay on for the sake of those love birds maybe.
But nope, he actually left and very quietly without even a look back. A simple take care, see you later. I wonder if we will see him later.
Half expected him to turn around and come just in time to help heal Fern.
Frieren holding Fern's hand because she subconsciously remembered Himmel doing the same for her is very in character.
Seems like a calm before the storm type of episode. Sounds like we're heading for a magic exam arc. The one I've heard not so good things about. Shall prepare myself so I'm not too disappointed.