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*Gnosia*, episode 12
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This one’s been pretty fun overall. It’s Mafia/Among Us with alien waifus, time loops, and a shiny Unown lookin critter lol. Keen to catch the second cour in Jan.
The last time she was a Gnosia, Kukrushka massacred everyone on board. Poor woman couldn't catch a break.
Yuri: "what?"
LeVi: "... and Kukrushka"
Yuri: "*oh shit*"
So 14 gnosia and Kukrushka means Yuri is gnosia too
Other Gnosia: who we gonna cyberize tonight?
Gnosia Kukrushka: you guys do your thing. (Grabs metal pipe). This way is faster.
She said she would rather off herself than get eliminated - i see this as a bitter sweet end as she kept to her beliefs despite being gnosia - it doesn't change your desires, just compels you to eliminate humans with instinct.
Except Raqio 💀
Jina: ...
Me: I guess Jina won't agree with that, so whom will she choose? Raqio?
\*painful Raqio noises\*
Me: Of course it's Raqio!
*Raqio: "Thanks... Really appreciate your sacrifice..."*
[](#seasonalpout)
We once had Sha-Ming who couldn't be arsed about being a Gnosia and outed himself but kept his comrades away from harm. We also had ~~SQ~~ Comet who's such a terrible liar she unintentionally put her comrades in danger. However, this is the first time where a Gnosia knowingly outed their comrades. The sneaky part was doing so without lying.
Jina had shown so much resistance to the infection she retained nearly all her humanity even after being infected. All her actions have went against the Gnosias. We thought her helping Yuri during the Kukrushka psycho scene was simply due to the latter being also a threat to Gnosias but if that was the only reason there's no reason for her to come to Yuri's aid. Now we know the reason.
What a tragic ending. We've had actual deaths before but this was the first time someone had sacrificed themselves for the good of the humans and it came from a Gnosia. We knew what's coming once Jina said 'there were no Gnosias on board'. Fitting that instead of the upbeat ED we usually have we get a sombre one instead.
But SQ was only Gnosia for 2 times. One was the ep1 tutorial loop, and the other was ep10 where she was killed by the Citizen Slime. I think you're talking about Comet?
This version would have hit harder - saying something that's the most criticism i have had on a video game adaption anime so far. This shit has far exceeded expectations IMHO.
Was legit moved at the end.
Gina is a *very* nice woman.
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I want to talk about something interesting. Often times in the time loop genre, the looper would not reveal the fact that they are looping. However, in this show, revealing does not seem to have dire consequences (like, what can the Gnos do about it?). Moreover, Yuri is using this as leverage to gain info from other crew members. So far, they have admitted to Chipie (ep5), Racio (ep10), Sha-Ming (ep10), SQ (ep 11), and Jina (ep12) that they are looping, and hinted to Stella (ep7) and Comet (ep9) that they know more than what an amnesiac should. Yuriko also seems to know she will meet Yuri on another timeline (ep5). Is this culminating to a moment where Yuri announce they are looper to everyone on day 1?
Another thing is, to me this episode implies that, whenever Setsu was not in the room greeting Yuri, they know beforehand that some event will play out in this loop. The times this happened are: ep4 (no one greets them, Yuri wakes up alone and meet Yuriko in the elevator), ep6 (no one greets them, Yuri wakes up then follows Kukrushka to the holodeck and was gifted a wreath from Kukrushka), ep9 (Comet, a Gnosia, greets Yuri), ep11 (SQ, a Guard Duty, greets Yuri), ep12 (Jina, a Gnosia, greets Yuri).
|Name|Crew|Gnosia|Engineer|Doc.|G.A.|G.D.|Total|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Yuri|10|1|1||1|1|14|
|Setsu|9|1|1|3|||14|
|SQ|6|2|2|||1|11|
|Racio|7|3||1||1|12|
|Jina|7|4|||||11|
|Shigemichi|3|3|1||1|1|9|
|Stella|7|1|1||1||10|
|Yuriko|5|1|1|1|1||9|
|Comet|3|3|||||6|
|Chipie|3|2|1||||6|
|Jonas|4|1||1|||6|
|Kukrushka||1|1|||1|3|
|Otome|3|2|||||5|
|Remnan|2||1|||1|4|
|Sha-Ming|1|3|||||4|
Jina is surprisingly the member with most Gnosia roles (ep2, ep3, ep8 and this episode).
As for the mortality rate:
|Name|Alive|In C.S.|Dead|Total|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Yuri|10|2|2|14|
|Setsu|8|3|3|14|
|SQ|6|3|2|11|
|Racio|2|5|5|12|
|Jina|4|3|4|11|
|Shigemichi|2|5|2|9|
|Stella|7|2|1|10|
|Yuriko|5|2|2|9|
|Comet|3|3||6|
|Chipie|3|2|1|6|
|Jonas|3|1|2|6|
|Kukrushka|2|1||3|
|Otome|1|2|2|5|
|Remnan|3||1|4|
|Sha-Ming|1|3||4|
(I counted the Kukrushka incident in ep8 as if the members have been put into Cold Sleep, because that's what the Results shows during the fake ED.)
Turns out Racio is comically easy to die. The only two times they were alive when the Results was displayed, was when they were Gnosia and elimnated Yuri (ep4, ep6).
Even if it isn't, this has immense implications for Yuriko's role. She hasn't done much so far, curiously, but now I'm gonna be watching her extra closely because even if human there is a chance she may not actually want to stop the Gnosia.
I'll never forget that kiss.(ಥ﹏ಥ)
I probably want Jina to reach a happy future more than anyone. Don’t believe that we’ve seen her smile brightly yet?
The only thing that changed is this loop Yuri gave Gnosia Gina the courage to act on her more empathetic instincts before going full Gnosia.
Still i hope Yuri can find a timeline where everybodu could be happy, perhaps even the gnosia. Everyone story is just too sad they deserve their happy ending.
Jina was Gnosia for 4 different times.
In episode 2, she was the sole Gnosia. When questioned by Yuri if she was human, she lied and Yuri detected it (the lie detector is not often triggered in this show, so you can see Jina really bad at lying), but Yuri didn't pick it up and voted SQ out due to false belief.
A nice detail: in ep1, after SQ says "before the bad end?", the scene cuts to the warp, and Yuri's scream can be heard (implying SQ toyed with Yuri and only killed them during the warp). But in ep2, after Jina says "hope to see you", there was no scream and Yuri immediately looped.
In episode 3, there was two Gnosia (she and Stella). During the bad end we don't get to see her face. Maybe she was acting against her killing instinct the entire time?
In episode 8, this is the Kukrushka incident episode. Now we know why Jina tried to help Yuri despite being a Gnosia. And finally, we have today's episode.
So I think, with the exception of episode 3, Gnosia Jina seems pretty consistent across the loops.
This ep, Yuri just unintentionally reminded Gina of her past and why she hates lying and the fact that Gina also lies in the last loops so Gina just breaks down.
Sorta like she instinctively went "I'm gonna make Yuri trust me by doing this." to "How did they know what I was planning? Do they already know I'm a Gnosia?" which then leading to "Why did I instinctively try to do that in the first place?" sorta situation, and she comes to a realization of how much being a Gnosia has affected her willingness to lie and manipulate people. At least thats how I read it.
In other timelines there wasn't anyone else to snap her out of her Gnosia instincts, so she doesn't get to that point.
The thing I will remember from now on is that Yuriko indeed is a freaking psycho working with other psychos.
Hmmm, I wonder if the death cult is led by a Gnosia, and is trying to convince all of humanity that they should kill themselves, NOW.
Cyberization is not salvation. Not for her, at least. It is becoming a different kind of being, something she never asked for or wanted. Yuriko has a lot to answer for now, for her role in this terrifying process.
Its surprising to me how we've actually seen not one but _two_ self sacrifices amongst the characters who become Gnosia and would rather die themselves than kill. However it is actually Sha-Ming who is the kindest, even above Gina, as he immediately locks himself in his room if he is Gnosia to get everyone to freeze him, and the only one he killed was Otome because he felt it was a mercy compared to allowing her to return to the labs.
Yuri: unknown.
Setsu: a genderless soldier.
SQ: 511th clone.
Gina: her mother turned into...undying smt cybernization.
Raqio: a genderless person of a planet that values intelligence.
Stella: an AI.
Shigemichi: he got into an accident and got artificial skin.
Chipie: he wants to turn into a cat.
Comet: she lives symbiotic with a slime that proved she is strong enough to survive.
Jonas: he went into cold sleep for so long he goes mad and isn't used to the modern world.
Kukrushka: a doll.
Otome: an intellectualized beluga whale.
Sha-Ming: he was raised by intellectualized bonobos.
Yuriko: a member of a cult that turns people into...undying smt cybernization.
Remnan: he lived on an AI planet.
Everyone has smt to do with transhumanism (Yuri still doesn't remember anything about themselves).
Or they just kill them and say "oh, they're in heaven now". So far we haven't really seen much that confirms they're doing anything to actually keep their "souls" around
Also, while she often jokes and "tell lies", we learn from last episode that she is just an insecure girl who is uncertain about her own identity. I'm personally fond of this kind of character.
I feel like it's kind of unfair but I like Yuri the most. He/she(depends on the loop lol) goes through a lot of development and I love their logical deductions.
Thst is the only character that can go through permanent character development which is why I think it might be a bit unfair.
If not Yuri then Raqio. He is a prick and I love to hate on him lol.
I didn't like Jina much after her being Gnosia in the second episode but she gradually gained my favorability and this episode just blew me away again. Same with SQ last week.
So far my favs are Setsu (I feel like a baby chick who bonded with them after hatching lol), the prick Racio (oh no, he's hot), Jina, Sha-Ming and Stella.
The few I'm not very fond so far of are Shigemichi and Jonas/Kukrushka.
Yuriko intrigues me and I hope we'll get to know more about her soon, but it feels like she knows too much and the focus might remain on other characters first.
I also really like Yuri and am glad they managed to create such a good "player stand-in" for the anime.
I'm ready to daisuki Yuri like the rest of the cast 🗿
My second favorite is SQ because she was a huge mystery.... and cute. Definitely would have got into alot of trouble using Yuri's body if I was onboard. Her sex appeal is calculated and I am weak to it. She also basically teaches people how to avoid being emotionally manipulated by teasing them lol. It also helps that she doesn’t take many things seriously.
Can I name Yuri since Yuri is the POV character? Yuri is smart as heck and with a good heart. This is the best possible character to see through the eyes of.
Then there's Jina. She's always been high on my list, but the show really isn't kind to her despite her having all the qualities of Best Girl! She's my secret favorite.
I also like Racio too but for all the wrong reasons lol.
But wait, do I understand this correctly that the cyberization process Jina's mother went through is the exact same thing as when a human is killed by Gnosia? Otome being killed by Sha-ming, Comet and Yuri looked pretty painful,so I'm not convinced that's a good way to go. Especially since we don't know what exactly happens AFTER cyberization.
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Anyway, still enjoyed everything up to the last few seconds. 😆
The game makes it a bit more impactful because the player has gone through dozens of loops and has gotten to know the crew that way. I suppose Yuri is representing that by straight up exposing the key and revealing the loops.
The Gnosia state sometimes feels kind of inconsistent in what it does to people. Previously it felt like the Gnosia versions were alternate characters while this time it felt more like the original Jina was taken over.
Yuri winning over the girls in turn, makes me wonder about the decision to make him supposedly neither. To begin with the characters that are neither seem to heavily slide in one direction. Either way it's been a long while since had a such a strong VN adaptation.
Note that there was also the route where Yuri had to be a girl to win over Sha-Ming.
So "he's" basically a guy regularly, a guy if he was a guy, and a woman when "he" is a woman. Yuri could be a guy in all routes and a woman in that one route and it'd be all the same thing.
Can only imagine the crashout Racio would have if Jina pulled that stunt while they were her partner lmao (meanwhile I can picture Sha-Ming being poignantly on board with it). But damn, easily the Gnosia elimination that felt the most like a pyrrhic victory so far.
KanaHana character, always an angel or a freak, rarely in-between
999 series
Sekimeiya spun glass
Suhoshin
And many other similar games, this genre needs to be bloated
Try lost dimensions - it combines mech RTS with among us find the traitor stuff.
So, Jina was a child of a religious family. Looking back after finishing, that scene at the beginning where young Jina cried out "Don't leave me" must have been foreshadowing her separation from her mother. Her mother claimed that through cybernetics—becoming a soul-only existence—she would be liberated from suffering. However, that choice resulted in the eternal agony of being unable to see her own child even if she wanted to. It is a cruel irony—being right beside her, yet invisible and untouchable for eternity. Now, I am intensely curious about how Yuriko is involved in all of this as a shrine maiden.
The shift between the beginning and the end of this episode was particularly striking. It was wonderful to see how Yuri, who initially took a cold, distancing attitude toward Jina when suspecting her of being Gnosia, eventually reached out his hand to save her. Just as it was with Comet, when someone who is terrible at lying says "I love you, Yuri," it is a confession from the bottom of their heart, and something truly precious. While it is sad that they were separated in the end, and Yuri might view it as a "bad end" since he couldn't save her, for Jina, it might be a form of salvation. She was able to convey her true feelings to Yuri without any lies, staying true to her ironclad conviction of never wanting to deceive or lie to anyone until the very end.
This was an episode where I truly came to understand the strength of Jina as a woman. I am really looking forward to the second cour starting next January.
They really just put together a spaceship named Starship.
Is confirmed how many episodes are? Oficially are 12 but some say are 21 based in dics number.
[](#emptyinside)
And I watched 2 in a row too (didn't have time to watch the previous one last week), and both of them were feelsy, albeit for different reasons...
[(I will never forget THIS cute li'l SQ)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/32158acab2ff.png)
[Opens on feels, ends on feels... At least there were SOME light-hearted moments here and there!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/7721400e05de.png)
[Damn, 2 seconds in, already knows the two Gnosia? (Or rather, THINKS they know!)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/0751f58b6010.png)
Raqio's the one who would get the team to lose in Werewolf games, by being confidently wrong about everything and convincing people of following them in their nonsense!
[](#azusalaugh)
[When Yuri held her in, ](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c270d1cf13fb.png)
he wanted to try and help her, but I thought he wanted to learn more about Gnosia (well, I suppose he did learn a bit); I guess it's my scientific mind, but I would've used that opportunity to study Gnosia as much as I can (focusing on the 'what' she represents), while Yuri wanted to learn more about the person and all!
Because the Gnosia seems like a complex entity;
[Some people affected go all in, ](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/8a548aa9a680.png)
[while others are putting up a fight, resisting, even going as far as killing themselves, rather than becoming something else/betraying people etc..](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/fd01cb00c746.png)
So if SOMEONE can resist Gnosia, perhaps everyone can... They just need to find the way!
["Hmm... you?](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/623e4185f71d.png)
[](#evilgrin)
[Hah! I was talking about doing that in a prevoius thread, a 3 engineer call...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b2095bae6354.png)
But I was discussing it as an "out of the box" strategy, while she's doing it as a "doing the right thing before she dies"...
[Otome slowly retreating during the scene hah.](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c6601d6c1938.png)
*"What the fuck is this moron doing?"*
[](#azusalaugh)
Can't even do anything, because it's not like she can tell her "that's not what she's supposed to do/what they planned"!
[Honestly this kinda shows that my weirdo strategy wasn't that bad;](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/0e3019aab0f5.png)
If 2 Engineers call out a third means he's human, then you can use that strategy to 100% Coldsleep a human (by pointing to a Gnosia instead, and they'll use the same logic to call that Gnosia human).
Of course it'd mean they'll coldsleep one of the other 2 the next day, but after 2 days they will sleep 1 gnosia, 1 human, and 2 human will die to the warp...
This means 1 gnosia will die for 3 humans. Seems pretty good a strategy, no? (especially if there's more than 2 Gnosia, like the games where they had 3 or 4... Definitely worth sacrifying 1 Gnosia to take out 3 humans! Especially since it'll confuse everyone, AND they'll make more bad decisions due to the false Engineer calls!)
[Man...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6f89e8683146.png)
THE FEELS NEVER END!
[](#emptyinside)
(Also I was wondering what it reminded me off, but I think it's [game]>!FF8?!< )
Seems this show is 2 cours, nice!
One of my favorite this season (if not MY favorite), happy to see it continue!
Tho all they need to do is cold sleep all 3, they already know 2 in 3 are liars, Setsu just does the deductions to at least save Chipie. It isn't worth it for Gnosia to do a suicide tactic when they could have lived instead. Killing humans is priority but living should be the included.
It seems like we might get a Yuriko episode soon now that her religion has been brought up, and it has similar qualities to Gnosias so that'll be interesting to look into.
I also find it interesting how this is another episode where Setsu gets someone to wake Yuri up, they're trying to get Yuri's knowledge filled up lol.
"Alight chat.....hear me out"
≖‿≖
The waves of time erode the flesh, marking the end of most life.
Yet your soul can continue to dance with the unchanging light. Now is the time to cast off those bonds and embark upon the ocean of cyberization, where infinite knowledge and eternal freedom awaits.
There, death and pain cease to exist - only the pure expansion of consciousness remains.
Your thoughts will lose all limitations and every boundary will dissolve.
As a chosen one, declare here and now your will - to transend the flesh and become your soul.
You are a special being, posessing the qualifications to transcend the confines of the flesh and attain cyberization.
Do you consent to your cyberization?
I don't think it's even possible to really describe in text what it is like because only those who have gone through it could understand yet by not having the "interphase" of the physical body anymore they also wouldn't be able to explain it to us
Unless the cult has some way to "translate", at least
I think you missed one line between "...eternal freedom" and "Your thoughts", though. I can barely see words like "There, death and...only the pure expansion of...".
Can you fill in the blank for us?
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Edit: here is my take.
> **Consent Form**
>
> The waves of time erode the flesh, marking the end of most life.
>
> Yet your soul can continue to dance with an unchanging light.
>
> Now is the time to cast off those bonds,
>
> and embark upon the ocean of cyberization, where infinite knowledge and eternal freedom unfold.
>
> There, death and pain cease to exist - only the pure expansion of consciousness remains.
>
> Your thoughts will lose all limitations and every boundary will dissolve.
>
> As a chosen one, declare here and now
>
> your readiness to transend the flesh and become your soul.
>
> ---
>
> You are a special being,
>
> possessing the qualifications to transcend the confines of the flesh and attain cyberization.
>
> —— Do you consent to your cyberization?
Comet calls Yuri an 男の子 at 1:06.
A boy. Not a man, a boy.
I was super surprised that they got Yuriko first this time. Lol. That was unexpected. Now... Jina sabotaging the meeting, fixing the ship, and then jumping into the void was pretty badass! I like how the show basically showed us this when she made the decision to jump from the building. Imagery is on point!
So... we finally get a look at the ship and it's BEAUTIFUL!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!
Oh and lastly, did we just get a Final Fantasy 8 scene lol!!!! This brought me back to childhood when Yuri caught her like that. And Jina pulled one of the greatest save/sacrifices that I've seen in recent anime for about 10 years!
.......okay, and as for the part that nobody asked for.... While Comet is more my type (energetic and positive all the time.... doesn't sweat the small stuff... okay with making mistakes... and always speaks her mind), I WOULD MARRY THE HELL OUT OF JINA!!! SHE'S TOO GOOD FOR THIS WORLD... EVEN AS A FREAKING GNOSIA! (Kind, dutiful, smart, attentive!! So many good qualities!). I kinda want to have a ranking system of the characters for this whole purpose, but I guess I should probably wait until the show is over lol. (Because the top three for everybody is going to be dominated by Comet, SQ, and Jina lol)
I wonder who'll get the next focus.... I kinda want to follow Remmy to see how he links to SQ, Kukru, and Cap.