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*Darwin Jihen*, episode 1
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[I'm glad they said what I was thinking.](https://i.imgur.com/yEhYDRk.jpeg)
The fact that this is licensed by Amazon of all things is hilarious.
I can't believe they didn't make the joke "How did the doctor have a child with a chimpanzee? That's gross, man!"
[](#flustered)
But all joking aside, this was pretty interesting. It’ll be fun to see things through Charlie’s eyes as a “humanzee.” This whole animal rights terrorist plot is interesting too. Killing humans to protest the death of animals makes tons of sense. Totally not insane and moronic. Those idiots are gonna be dragging ol Chuck into their bullshit when dude just wants to live life.
Promised Neverland ending haters be like:
I'm the opposite. My disappointment is a measurable and my day is ruined by the fact that Dr Grossman did not in fact go balls deep in a chimp.
Premise is insanely cool but I just hope PETA doesn't start taking notes.
Meanwhile, Ozzy's an absolute bellend. Was quite satisfying to see Charlie shut him up that way. Even better was how nonchalant he said those words.
As if school's not tough enough, he's about to be thrust into the world of politics with the animal rights group looking to get hold of him. Turned out this won't exactly be a slice-of-life show.
We don't know yet because it's the first episode, but either that means he's still learning empathy, or he knew the implications of what he said and did it anyway to scare him.
I love the writing too, the way they float questions and let people decide and all.
Edit: IRT the anime itself, that was a very solid first episode, iirc this is the first anime from studio Bellnox right? For Kadokawa's first foray in anime this is looking promising.
Other than some whacky CGI with cars moving around it looked solid, I particularly liked the scene where Charlie lifts Lucy with his foot, grabs her with his hand then throws her on his shoulder, very smooth movement.
Friggin dubs spilling into subs. They actively hurt the subtitle experience.
There's probably some protagonists that are plant based because they're like, an animal, like Haru from Beastars is almost a protagonist and she's plant based, but I wouldn't consider her Vegan because it's not really an ethically driven for her.
He never claimed to be a vegan.
I'm getting the sense from this episode that details like this will be important.
if he chooses consistently not to eat meat/eggs/etc outside his household then he's vegan even if he doesn't identify it but yes this is possibly his only meal ever ordered himself for himself so we'll see, I'd be very surprised if he eats meat except maybe once and then regretting it, or as a necessity for some reason (which isn't not vegan FWIW).
If one is Japanese, one does not go about creating a USA settings if they want a serious story. This has been done time and again, if the Japanese try to touch on a) foreign countries b) international relations then they get a total clownage, a circus of cosmic proportions, an idiocy that is as stupid as it is benign in its essence.
And this seems to be exactly it. I have no idea WHY they would even try to make this a slice-of-life kind of series and not a straight thriller. The whole idea reminds me of cult propaganda animations that were being produced a while ago, with general score between 3 to 5 out of 10 on some websites like MAL. Or Hero Mask. It just makes no sense why would you make it if you were a genuinely aspiring animation studio. And if you aren't a genuinely aspiring animation studio, why would I watch whatever you produced? Do I want to watch monkeys excrete? You get the point. I will give it exactly one more episode.
I wonder, does this touch any political stuff at all beyond the surface level in episode 1? Since it's on Amazon, I assume it isn't.
Plus doing a modern story related to anarchism in USA is gonna be hard. USA is a highly evolved military state, and at the intermediate state of technological surveillance.
Edit 1: I found out more information, gonna give this a go myself for a few episodes to judge correctly. It's gonna be better than most isekai nonsense anyways, so might as well give it a go
The way that felt a bit wrong was a sort-of uncanny valley thing. And the whole vegan terrorist thing feels a bit wrong too, in the same way.
This is supposed to be a SOL? About vegan terrorists?
Anyway it was entertaining enough, and I'll be back next week to see how this goes.
"I'm a humanzee but I was thrown out of the hero's party, I'm thirty and just want to life a suroo~ laifu~, I cook food and my skittles makes me omnipotent?!"
"Yamada... you are going to make us so stinking rich, we'll be able to milk this franchise by catering it to both tweens and suicidal salarymen for the next 3 decades! You've done it again!"
I get why they do it, it does make it feel more like a foreign setting to Japanese audience, but there are many other anime set in English speaking places that don't do this, there's no need. If you know English and American culture it takes away immersion and makes you laugh
I'm intrigued most by Charlie himself, his reactions to things and his rather non-emotive personality, matter of fact personality and coldly rational takes. I wonder why there is what seems to be almost like horror background music sometimes happening when the camera is tracking him...
All in all a fine, solid start, though I hope the jock guy demonstrates some depth to him soon. And those eco terrorists seem rather trite too, almost obsolete to today's world and like something from a 20 year old Tom Clancy book or something. But this was just the first episode.
Good OP and ED too!
Additional notes on the Production:
- Production Supervisor (制作統括) on the project is the CEO of the animation studio (Bellnox Films), Koji Kajita (梶田浩司). For those that weren't aware: Kajita was one of the founders of david production. He left the studio in 2021 and founded this studio later on.
- Animation Producer on board is Taichi Harakawa (原川 太一). Harakawa previously worked at Seven Arcs.
- Production Manager (制作管理) on the show is Tsuyoshi Wakamatsu (若松 剛). Wakamatsu came from david production, having been there since it started out. He was the animation producer on its first show, Ristorante Paradiso, alongside other works. Last work Wakamatsu did there was as one of the animation producers on cour 1 of the Urusei Yatsura remake.
- The opening animation was storyboarded by Katsuichi Nakayama and directed by Ryota Kawahara (河原 龍太). Studios Rhinokino and Transdyne were credited for Production Assistance (制作協力).
- Ending animation was storyboarded and directed by Naokatsu Tsuda.
I like how they characterized Charlie, his entire personality highlights how he's very different from others, but it's entirely possible that his mind works just like ours and the distant, cold behavior stems from, well, being a humanzee.
The other kids felt real, valid rage from the guy who's parents own a diner after hearing the word 'vegan'
Freedom as a Museum
Charlie is really mysterious. What really goes on in his mind since he's part human and part animal ? How does he really view the world ? When he said that he would shoot Ozzy did he really mean that 'cause he seems to be the guy who doesn't want to hurt even a fly and what if he only said that to scare him off.
So the guys at the end are they the ones who saved Charlie years back. I wonder how Charlie ended up with Hanna and Bert. He was rescued by the ALA. I couldn't read much of the info on those newspaper clippings about the incident.
Lucy seems to be a decent girl who respects Charlie. At least Charlie is attracting all girls even if the guys hate him.
While the ALA is the fictional creation of the anime, the ALF is a real international terrorist organization. They bombed quite a few places just a couple decades ago.
Ozzy claimed Charlie putting his life over an animal's meant he doesn't care equally about all living beings. By saying he'd also shoot Ozzy because he'd die otherwise, Charlie made it clear that it's not about valuing one class of living beings over another, but simply self-preservation. It would only prove Charlie values lives differently if he'd shoot the mouse but wouldn't shoot Ozzy.
To put it differently, if the question was "would you shoot a human running at you with a knife" would answering yes mean you don't really value human lives? Under many legal systems all human lives are (ostensibly) of equal value but they still have self-defense laws under which someone can even kill another person to protect their own life. It's just such a dumb strawman of an argument in the first place.
Yet we are on the first episode, it might get better later on. I'll still watch it to see how it goes even if I did not like it as much as I though from the PVs
OP/ED songs are amazing. I'll loop them to hell. Any idea what is the speaking words at the end of the ending?
What a time to be alive, apes together strong.
Maybe it's just me, but Charlies design kind of creeps me out a bit, with how flat his head is. Weird feature to give him but I guess it does make him fairly inhuman, especially with the relatively emotionless voice. Although the dialogue, at least in the English dub, feels a bit stilted at times, which might not help matters
Went in blind and didn't expect all the vegan stuff. I'm...I'm sorry but I can't take vegan terrorists all that seriously. Of all the groups you could turn into villains. I mean I get thematically why they would be chosen, to tie in the character with the group that liberated him. Still an odd choice.
Wondering if this will have some romance to it with all the focus on the hoodie girl. and in the ED her feet...
But to the extent we get ideas, it's by people making some of the dumbest arguments possible with no challenge? Like you can have dumb arguments by characters... But the show doesn't have any *other* arguments, just an unbearable stream of straw men?
With this writing think that's a one and done for me.
It's just me... I'm all alone... in my last-minute audio remix experience.
Trying to sneak it in to see if people notice
I wonder if the story will follow Charlie, this humanzee, and Lucy as they get caught up in various incidents while confronting the discrimination and prejudice that come with being what he is. I really enjoy these kinds of socially conscious suspense stories. I’m looking forward to seeing how Charlie grows as he navigates his way through human society.
Those cheesy dad scientists and their lame jokes/naming!
I love suspense too.
Very interesting premise that seems to strive into philosophical questions territory.what is the value of human life compared to that of animals? And where exactly does Charlie fit in, as he has human intelligence, but obviously is not human?
Charlie would shoot a mouse dead to save his own life?! So he would do to a human. Yet he saved a little "insignificant" butterfly from being eaten by a spider. Was this out of compassion or what was his reason?
I like Charlie's character design. They didn't make him "cute", but instead he has this uncanny look that is slightly offputting. This emphasizes him being alien/nonhuman in an effective way.
Lol I also had to think of that show. Remember watching a bit of it as a kid.
I'm excited either way!
Ain't monarch butterflies poisonous? He may have saved the spider there. Well both really.
Could just be a modus operandi of "help things that are hurting, save things about to die." The premise was "kill mouse or you die." And Charlie responded by saying that yeah obviously he would save himself, and the type of threat wouldn't matter.
He'd save his own life, and would save the butterfly's too.
Gahahahahah!!!!
Do Japanese just see Americans as looking way older than themselves? Or is it a spoof on those 70s musicals and shows with those old ass actors cosplaying as high schoolers? The truck looked pretty old
It only makes sense that non-Japanese look like adults.
At least that is the trope I am familiar with.
Yes, big Japanese and tiny westerners also exist. But see, Charlie is pretty short as an American! (snort)
As an extreme example, bouncer and bar tender still ask my mom for her ID when we’re on vacation, at the time her oldest kid(me) already graduated from college, she was in her mid forties.
The joke of “Asian women look young till the day they suddenly look 300yo” kinda have a reverse of “white peoples suddenly look 30yo when they graduate high school”.
Yes, there are many TV shows in Japan that features people from overseas(non-asian), and it's very common for middle schoolers/high schoolers showing up in those TV shows and people commenting that they look like adults.
I know that non-asian people think asian people look like children, so I think it's not too strange that the opposite is also true. To asian people, non-asian people look older than they are.
If such a creature existed:
1. it would be killed, or
2. you would never hear about it, since it would be in a "research institute" somewhere
Plus, the whole "PETA" is terrorist organization led by a black dude, while vegans adopted Charlie and raised as a human to "integrate" him into society, is beyond laughable.
Don't get me wrong, the premise and questions raised in the show are very good, but everything else is just so damn unrealistic, it kills the seriousness of the show.
Your points are right. That said, they don't bother me at all. I somehow managed to accept all the issues and deploy my suspension of disbelief field. I am rarely able to do this!
I like the "rule of cool" of the super soldier cyborg-strength chimpanzee. I am very excited for the next cheesy American episode of Darwin Incident.
Whether or not you hear about it would be completely up to the media. The scientific papers that would be spawned from it would not be covered up or hidden. The only question is if they would make headlines, And honestly that's not even a question of course they would.
The only part that's maybe a stretch is Charlie getting adopted and integrating into society but it's not even that much of a stretch when his mental capabilities appear to be fully human. It would be inhumane to keep him locked up his entire life.
I do like how much Charlie likes to observe his surroundings, it seems like he has keener senses so I do wonder what kind of things he'll pick up on. It's interesting to see the different reactions from the people in school, there was quite a variety.
I do like how the father is so chill about Charlie going to school compared to the mother lol.
Like, I love that they reference Thomas Nagel's famous "What Is It Like to be a Bat?", but they really did not do it justice. But that's not that bad.
What's really bad is how it is handling veganism and animal activists. Maybe they'll get more nuanced later, but right now it's just an ultra strawman version. If it was ONLY the terrorist group taking the strawman version, then that would be tolerable. But the random asshole student takes a strawman version and doesn't get any of the actual responses to that back.
I *am* curious about what you were wanting to say here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(chimpanzee)?wprov=sfti1#
The adaptation looks very conservative (cutting corners where it can).
"If you're a Vegan, then surely you prioritize all life equally!"
XD
I do like the american setting, it feels nice and the character designs look like something you see in Invincible
* He may not be adept at social cues or he may simply not feel the need to as seen from how he reacted to Lucy's attempt at making a joke
* He is brutally honest as seen from how he answered Ozzy's taunt
* He can be deceitful at times as seen from how he chose to not reveal the complete truth to his adoptive mother in the car
* He does not necessarily view all lives as equal, but he does want to protect lives if he is presented with the chance to do so, as seen from him saving both Lucy and the kitten as well as the butterfly, but not the bird as it had already been ingested by the snake
The ALA has definitely grown to be more drastic in their approach over the 15 year period, as the members were unwilling to kill at the start of the episode and are now full fledged terrorists. I wonder if Charlie's adoptive parents, in particular the father, have ties to the ALA at this point.
(Then again perhaps utilitarianism is animal instinct applied to humans..)
[](#bigthink)
Bro the we did it sign at 19:53 was a dead giveaway
The whole school sequence was pretty engrossing.
I guess in the end i'm just being nitpicky, but every media i see that does this just bores me.
In the end scene, the ALA guys are drinking beer, you think that doesn't influence the meat industry aswell? And the answer its not to not drink beer, but you get the idea, they aren't menacing villains, they're just kinda dumb idk
I also found it a little preachy, but when Charlie said he'd kill the rat in the dilema, i found him to be more interesting.
But it's just episode 1, i hope it gets way better