Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou • Jack-of-All-Trades, Party of None - Episode 2 discussion
*Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou*, episode 2
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I confess I didn't expect him to act like that with Luna, but it was necessary; he needs to leave the past behind. I just hope he invites Luna to his own party in the future.
That and seeing Oliver's smiling face in the paper talking about how they've replaced him with a new Enchanter probably didn't help.
Although she was also tooting his horn so much without his permission and promoting the fact that he was in the Hero's Party...until the very next day where the news is publicly displaying that he got kicked out of the Hero's Party. She meant well, but man lol.
>I confess I didn't expect him to act like that with Luna, but it was necessary; he needs to leave the past behind. I just hope he invites Luna to his own party in the future.
When the Hero Party inevitably starts going downhill (which pretty much everyone other than most of the Hero's Party themselves seems to expect to happen), it would be nice if she jumped ship. I'm curious if she has romantic feelings for Orhun (which, knowing this genre, is probably likely).
This is becoming a new cliché.
Regardless of the current conditions of Selma's group, this will change so that they integrate into the harem.
It's the classic scenario, you'll see.
I'm just speaking from experience with this subgenre. The same thing already happened with the other anime where the MC is banished and explores the depths of dungeons.
It follows the same classic pattern as all stories of the same subgenre.
I feel bad for Luna. Orun's ejection was done behind her back -- almost certainly deliberately. So now she has not only lost Orun, but has lost faith in her other party members (and they probably feel a certain animosity/distrust towards her).
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Is there anything more than professional interest? Probably not at the moment especially since she thinks he's hitting on her underage sister half the time. But time will tell.
he is doing to her the same that his other friend did to him, and he is fully aware she wasn't involved in what happened. Luna deserved better friends!
Interestingly, they didn't put in a lot of action yet this episode.
Especially if they somehow manage to recruit him.
It still makes no sense why this "second most powerful CLAN" doesn't have the manpower to add additional escorts to the mission. 2 Enchanters (since she still counts MC as one), 2 Tanks, 1 Healer. **NOT A SINGLE DPS**, no way a big clan couldn't spare one...
The field trip is to get a ton of newbies registered with a bunch of the dungeon so they can all get trained up - seems like they're hoping one of them will have a major breakthrough to become their new top tier front liner.
and in their minds op isnt a damage dealer but an enchancer who just picked up sword.
One benefit of having been in a party of women is being used to dealing with women, though managing the Claudel sisters is a hassle in and of itself...but a fun one.
Why is Orhun the only front-line attacker among the professional escorts? It sounds like the Silver Rabbits lost their "ace" and that's something Selma is self-conscious about and part of why they need Orhun. Though using his status as a member of the Hero's party to rally all the rookies together is also nice!
Welcome to Group 10, your new charges Orhun! Featuring Logan (Yo Taichi!) the self-proclaimed leader who has a pretty high opinion of himself but the ability to back it up! Caroline (Manaka Iwami!) the bubbly and mood-making defender who loves slaying monsters but has no interest in wearing armor (it would probably get in the way of her big boobs and thighs)! And Sophia, who makes everything more pleasant with her presence! Are they the top rookies in the guild? Probably. But they're also the obvious problem group.
Orhun, to his credit, manages the situation well, takes good stock of how good Group 10 is as well as where they need to improve, and maybe they can all come together as a party?
It's rough seeing your old party kicking you out and replacing you in print in the news...though there was at least ONE person in the party who didn't want to kick him out and still cares about him. Luna was part of a childhood friend trio with Orhun and Oliver, and she was (maybe deliberately) gone when they kicked him out and she doesn't want him to leave. She knows how much they need him, and maybe she can't bear to be parted from him either. But the damage is done, and Orhun has no intention of going back no matter how much Luna pleads with him.
The ED is pleasant, featuring visuals of the cast and CG Orhun walking around the city.
edit: This show is unoriginal, unimaginative, the same boring "Kicked out of hero party" tropes that we have seen a million times and I don't mind unoriginal settings but a show needs something to set it apart from all the other slop and so far this show has absolutely nothing.
3/10 - Generic, boring. I'll give it one more episode, but I don't have much hopes for this.
MC turned into a chaperone, and for rookie levels, they are actually good as per his comment.
I can't just wrap around my head on that defender-dodge type. Does it mean that no one should be behind her not unless if they want to be dead.
It was OP for sure but yea hard to envision realistically.
TBC Had actual rogues capable of evasion tanking. I remember Gruul was tanked by a rogue at one point.
I've seen plenty of shows where the tank is on the front-line, using a shield or similar to disperse attacks, be it fireballs or Hydra breaths.
Kinda hard to disperse an attack when you can't be in between it and your party.
Sure they may get a bit toasty and roasted on the edges, but are way more likely to survive.
A dodge tank could do nothing if a boss monster decided to focus fire on a party member.
Now don't get me wrong, i love playing Dodge tanks. They just don't really make sense in a party setting.
So we're completely ignoring the AOE aspect now? A good dodge tank would just direct the aggro in the direction where the direct hit would hit a wall then. Or anywhere except directly at another party member - not like the party is filling up the entire hallway or room.
it would be harder if they had a fighter :D
but yeah it is not a practical idea in reality, even if it is a common template on videogames
she should just switch jobs and become a rogue lol. She loves speed, dodge and dual daggers.
as the MC is the symbol of rupture for the class-system (which is new) it may end up being a show where they move on back to hybrid classes /shrugs
Roles we've learned so far
- Defender
- Attacker / Rear Attacker
- Healer
- Enchanter
I feel MC and going to help define the roles into classes and specialization more and like you said instead of a tank that dodges, an Assassin / Rogue.
It's fine as long as she pulls aggro. MC in that "Tank fired from Hero's Party" anime was replaced with an evasion-tank as well.
They keep the monster keyed in on them, but rather than block, they just keep dodging - but still keeping the monster keyed in on them.
The other series of the "MC banished from the hero's group who explores the depths of the dungeon".
I remember the girl who did nothing to defend the MC during his expulsion, but who, after the fall of the From the hero's group, she joins the MC's harem just like that, no big deal.
I really hate that, it's pure hypocrisy.
I did like hearing Selma's assessment of Orhun's capabilities and how kicking Orhun out will hinder the Hero's Party's power. Now that we have heard this, I am intrigued to see how this series will handle the inevitable "Will you join the Hero's party again?" conversation. I like how grounded Oliver was with kicking him out, so I'm hoping that conversation will be the same and we can see some good angst and emotions.
New person definitely won't direct them efficiently, will let buffs lapse at bad moments, and will take too long getting their buffs set up.
I am sure that the swordsman's sword is incapable of cutting, the mage has literally 0 mana after 1 fireball and the tank couldn't defend against a slime. And somehow they never realized that.
With a dude on the team of rookies hopefully this won't devolve into party of kids all in love with the older MC like some shows have done.
Dodge tank is a risky build since one screw up and it all goes sideways, though this doesn't feel like a show where that'll happen fatally to one of the kids the MC is babysitting.
One member values the MC and eventually leaves the hero party to join him.
Saw this way too many times 😂😂
Wow, they're already glazing the shit out of MC.
Gold pieces are worth much more in this world than most other similar ones.
So the 5 escorts they decided to bring were 1 healer, 2 tanks, and 2 enchanters? And it was supposed to have been enough to shepherd all those rookies? And those bosses from the first 50 floors must be really weak if a party with no attackers was meant to take them out. This is supposed to be a really powerful clan, and they don't have any attackers after "That Guy" left? That's just dumb.
The rookies not even failed to hear the charging wolves, but also the rock spike trap triggering?
Anime relegated the rookies' first fights to a few still images, that doesn't bode well.
Why did MC say that an Enchanter needs to be good at giving orders? It works for that kid because he's also the Party Leader, but MC specifically said "Enchanter".
Let me guess, Blue will leave the Douchebag Hero party to be with MC.
My guess would be that enchanters see more from the backline, most monsters attack the obvious threats like frontliners and damage casters and they can synchronize their own short buffs better when they also give the orders.
Another possibility is that Selma does it and most follow her example like little ducklings.
Ohrun told them he'd join as an attacker.
Yes I'm betting eventually Luna leaves the heroes party. Feels like one of those things that you can see coming from a mile away.
Also waiting for the default scene of: new enchanter you can't do all the things that the scrubby old enchanter could? Why are we so weak our mage has no mana after two attacks. Our defender can't defend effectively.
Enchanter seems to fill the role of strategist from the backlines, since they give out targeted power-ups as part of their job.
They're not a small party, they're a CLAN. They should have plenty of attackers.
He's dropping traps behind him so nothing sneaks up on them. They're fighting going forward but they're not showing us that.
No way he’d go back to them
I’m not expecting any of the rookies to treat him differently. I figure they’ll still probably think he’s good.
I cast Augur Plot.
I predict, that:
\-By EP 4, MC is revealed to be "bad enchanter but actually world's best" and that unique magic that he gets mentioned using, is something that every master enchanter goes "That's not how magic works, it is impossible!"
\-Hero's party gets new enchanter, who is better enchanter than MC on paper, then party is surprised that "What do you mean you can't be enchanter, healer, magic attacker, off-tank, logistics specialist, tactician and 5 star chef all at once, like every other basic enchanter we've had?"
\-By ep 6, it gets revealed that every single issue about the plot and MC getting kicked, is caused by the fact that MC is completely and utterly useless at communication, never told his party what he was doing, sat silently in the back and let the party think he's a leech, and that they should've just mind-read what MC's buffs actually did without being told.
2. The big clan doesnt have damage dealer/proper attackers.
3. They have lots support people aka enhancer but still hired mc. (maybe they are playing long to get him into their clan but i doubt that)
4. Why would they not bring a single damage dealer on dangerous and impossible quest. From their pov mc is enhancer who just picked sword for whatever reason.
Intelligence bar is set pretty low i would say in the negatives