Bad japanese va performance

He's definitely meant to sound like that. Cause he's bored and lacking in stimulation cause everything goes down in one hit so why even bother getting pumped.

The irony is, it takes a very good actor to maintain such a facade hahaha. Even more so with that person's comment implying that season one Saitama was better. Saitama was like Makonyan's first main role, and the first season was probably his weakest performance in the role haha. Seasons 2 and 3 are significantly better performances in every way XD

A lot of idol and singers also make appearances or even play big roles in tv dramas or anime. I think some are good overall, so I don’t think it’s an excuse.

I've only watched it once. But I do remember noticing it quite a bit in the first couple episodes but she either improved or I got used to it by the end.

Indeed it would! In fact, Japanese anime voice acting apparently has a rather... "Distinctive" sound, so much so that native speakers can tell if you learned Japanese from anime

Personally the example I most remember is The Wind Rises, where you can blatantly tell Hideaki Anno is not a voice actor since it really feels like he's struggling in some scenes. Admittedly that one's a somewhat atypical example since I don't think that movie has any professional VAs, but at least the rest of the major characters are played by actual *actors* whereas Anno... isn't.

I didnt know the VA was 16 years old, my bad

He probably didn't notice it was her.

I cant even figure out what you said wrong to piss off everyone.
God forbid someone doesnt watch one piece?

It doesn't matter if it's mainstream. VAs in Japan are just as known as movie/TV actors/musicians.

You probably don't notice bad performance because it's rare to hear bad performance. Your best bet is to watch some anime movie from a big name director where the leads are voiced by movie/TV actors. It's typically not horrendous but the performances don't always come out as good as the supporting characters who are voiced by veteran VAs. That or watch any anime where there's a random foreigner showing up for like one line/scene. There's a 50% chance it'll be bad. If the foreigner speaks English, it goes up by 65%.

Sigh. Down voted.
"How dare you have anything but perfect perception pertaining performative performances?!"

I can kind of agree, but Hollywood performances have also been off every so often even if the actor is insanely talented or big.

Lol no, like (some) anime films do well in Japan but Western films are *extremely* common and popular there as well (and pretty much everywhere really.) Pretty much every major hit Hollywood film screened in Japan and most of them were hits in Japan too. If it's more than a couple years old it's probably been referenced in a couple anime or games as well. There's also the whole weird "big in Japan" effect where media that's more obscure here blows up in Japan and becomes super influential there (also not exclusive to Japan, see also "David Hasslehoff is an icon in Germany") Lots of anime voice actors do dub roles for both Hollywood films and western cartoons. There's also native Japanese live-action films in the mix, which sadly isn't as accessible *outside* of Japan unless it's tied to an anime or manga property and even *then* there's a lot of stuff we don't get. Japanese VAs are really talented though, that's definitely true.

Genshin uses pretty good VAs it's more the cheaper ones with lower budget that will have poor VAs

These aren't by Chinese studios but F16 had a really bad dub to the point the developers were recommending over the jp live stream to play it in English. 13 sentinels doesn't have a bad jp dub but I don't think it's leagues better than the English one.

I also found some games set in Japan that are made by western studios like ghost of tsushima have lip sync issues.

Also the tone the original English script uses doesn't really work great in japanese (think of games like assassins creed having edgy characters that curse all the time, and then use that in Japanese - where curses exist but you wouldn't rely as much on it to convey emotion. It's a language/culture difference. Or on the flip side, having a Yakuza in "Yakuza" curse all the time while speaking about the 'code' and 'honor'). It's playable but not inspiring.

Your list of chameleon like VAs is literally my list of characters voiced by them in several things and I just realized that now.


Fate, in particular has all of them.

Yeah, it really does depend on the seiyuu.

The only time I can ever think of an instance where Saori Hayami wasn't identifiable as herself was her role in A Silent Voice. Which was a very unique role.

Versus someone like Aoi Yuuki who I can truly say many times I have watched an anime and only found it out it was her by reading the cast list.

The crazy thing is that Koga Aoi got her big break with Kaguya but it's so far from her other roles (except when she loses her temper) like Paimon. 

That's the point! lol They're not supposed to recognizable! The voice is supposed to give life to the character. The attention should be on the character, not the seiyuu. That's how it's supposed to be!

Touyama Nao is not recognizable in everything and Hayamin as well. Hanazawa is only recognizable because she has that soft cuteness to her voice.

See if you can find Yuuki Aoi in the new 100 meter movie.

Yes, now. He's a legendary seiyuu at this point, like Sugita. His brand is more attractive. I explained this in my other comment.

Famous seiyuu are purposely hired and allowed to include their own personality into the characters to attract the audience.

How many times has it happened that you watch an anime just because your favorite seiyuu is in it? That.

Norio Wakamoto, the voice of Cell in the Dragon Ball franchise, among other things, literally voiced the antagonist in Taimanin Asagi (rape hentai).

Ikumi Hasegawa (Vladilena, PopStep) famously works as a VA for erotic visual novels. 


Also Fate's Illya's seiyuu was the younger sister in the Overflow hentai. 

Whaaat? She legit is my favorite in GBC mostly because how her voice sounds. Maybe it doesn't sound good to usual Japanese anime watcher, but I love her delivery every time.

The Dad is voiced by Shigesato Itoi who is most famous for creating the Mother(Earthbound) JRPG series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigesato_Itoi

I am a native Japanese speaker (my first language, English my second) but I actually really like the Ghibli style of VA. Not that I DONT like other anime VAs,, although I tend to dislike the really high pitched falsetto performances in some animes, but overall, I think both work for anime.

It's notable to understand that Japan comes from a different acting tradition than the West.

Whereas the "foundation" of Western acting is Theater, where Western ideas of acting developed from emulating realism and natural depictions of human relations, it's been pointed out that Japanese acting largely evolves from Kabuki merging with Western influences.

Kabuki was one of the most popular forms of mass entertainment in the pre-modern Japanese society, and Kabuki approaches acting from a *fundamentally* different perspective.

Western Acting, as exemplified by "method acting" where the actor strives to "become" the subject that they are depicting, can be characterized as an inward looking form of acting. The Actor looks inside themselves to try to make themselves more like the subject that's being acted, so as to create the natural depiction of the subject.

Kabuki is the opposite, where the actors are trained to focus on "how they are seen." The goal is outward looking, where the actors are trained to manipulate the audience to make them feel what the actor wants them to feel.

The actor focuses not on how a "natural" person of that role would act, speak, or move. THe actor focuses on the role of that character in the Kabuki play, to act in a way that best causes the audience to react to the character in a way that fits the purpose the character plays within the Kabuki play.

Thus, in Kabuki, hyper-exaggerated costumes, dramatic (and not natural) movements, different voices and such as common to the point where "Kabuki" became synonymous with exaggeration or gradiosity.

Thus, the "Kabuki School" of acting tradition has no interest in creating "natural sounding" people. THe Kabuki school of acting aims to have each charcter in a play induce a very specific reaction and purpose to drive the narrative, and cause the audience to feel what they intend them to feel.

The "Anime voice" and other types of anime acting or reactions that sometimes are criticized as "unnatural" don't understand this aspect of Japaense ideas of acting and theater/storytelling generally. The purpose is not to be naturalistic--it doesn't even aim to be.

Certainly, you can have a discussion of the merits and hindrances of both philosophies, but it's helpful to understand the cultural context.

> doesn't really translate well to an Anime performance as-is, one to one

For a very strange example, listen to how [Toshi, from American Dad, talks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgIl5PCLNU). Most of it's pretty different from what you typically hear in anime

If I had to listen to anime being read off in ACTUAL Japanese speaking cadence, I think I'd fall asleep.
To a non-Japanese speaker, IT just sounds LIKE they are randomLY giving extra EMPHasis while speakING.

Doesn't sound like that at all in anime, though, because they're adding that dramatic flair you were referring to, and apparently thank God for that. XD

The Ghibli style, oddly enough, is one of my favorites. It's sort of a perfect balance that humanizes the characters. Less "Frieza" and more "Monster", despite the fantasy background. That's just so Miyazaki! He saw some terrible stuff as a kid and animation has always been his outlet; it SHOULD be utterly fantastical while also being firmly grounded in realism.

Oh, God, I just remembered Grave of the Fireflies (made by Ghibli co-founder) and now I need to take a break.

He's the lead in The Wind Rises.

Ogata is the GOAT Yugi/Atem period