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*Eris no Seihai*, episode 1
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There are some things children shouldn't see...like the public execution of a woman. And yet, so does a young Constance Grail (Kana Ichinose!) see the last moments of Scarlet Castiel (Sayumi Suzushiro!) cursing those condemning her while sharing a poignant moment with Constance...before she's beheaded and the blood gets on Constance. Yikes.
Constance's family stands by "Be Yourself, Sincere" and with that in mind she's a naturally kindhearted and compassionate noblewoman, and cute to boot! Sure she's in an arranged marriage to get her family out of debt, rather than a marriage of true love, but her fiance Neil seems like a genuinely good guy so maybe things will turn out okay anyways?
Constance is a good fiance to not immediately believe Neil is cheating on her...right up until she sees him embracing Pamela in the garden. And then Pamela makes sure Constance sees her locking lips with Neil. Jeez, that's rough.
And as if to add massive insult to emotional injury, Constance learns that no good deed goes unpunished...not the one where you tell the super busty noblewoman that she can join the party, but the one where you help a woman with her hair, hold onto her hairpin for safekeeping, and end up getting accused of theft. And no one, even those who saw what really happened, are willing to come forward rather than let Constance be consigned as a thief.
And in her most desperate moment, Constance receives some ghostly aid...and her voice drops an octave, her sass levels go up to 11, and she becomes a sultry, vindictive, and cuthroat girl who turns the tables on her accusers, guilt trips her eye-witness', and turns this verbal game of chess into checkmate for herself!
I love how just the accusation that she was doing the deed in shrubbery was enough to get Pamela to immediately confess to kissing another girls' fiance. And it's all downhill for her from there. Like how the other noblewomen who actually DID congratulate Constance on her engagement use the insult of Pamela engaging in an affair as an excuse to make her dance without shoes until she's bleeding...I can't imagine a pretty end for Pamela, but this is how the game of nobles is played. The same game Scarlet probably played herself.
Scarlet even does Constance another solid and makes the Nouveau Riche Fatso...I mean, Harmsworth (Jun Fukuyama!) annul the engagement! So now Constance is free of her cheating scumbag fiance!
Of course, Scarlet didn't do ANY of this for free. Constance may not measure up much to her, or be to her taste, but she can use Constance to get her revenge. Revenge on the brainless prince Enrique and Crown Princess Cecilia who consigned her to death.
The OP is very on-point, with Constance and Scarlet in parallel as they both play chess with the people around them as part of Scarlet's ultimate revenge plot.
haven't seen another one like these yet, well another JP one specifically
but i think there a few korean one floating around
When Brenda hesitates to say that Constance didn't steal her hairpin and Pamela from the balcony sees what happens and plays opportunist by framing her.
It was satisfying when Scarlett intervened and then returned fire with Constance spilling the beans about secretly witnessing Pamela and Neil kiss. But Constance is now roped in to Scarlett's own personal agenda.
Also, music is spectacular
Good news! You're free of a cheating scumbag! Bad news, you've been roped into a ghost Villainess' revenge crusade!
Maybe not. The deal was that they'd get engaged and it was annulled because of what he did so his father may still be stuck paying.
That’s the entire premise of, “of course I’ll claim palimony”
I've always got to watch the villainess' of the season. This time it's a ghost pact.
Pamela's a total bitch that it became satisfying to see Scarlet turn things around. It's a treat to see the gradual shift of her look from smug to frightened. To add icing on the cake, some of the adult ladies aren't too fond of her.
Do wonder why Constance's the only one who could see Scarlet. I also expect to see the latter inhabiting the former's body a couple more times if not regularly seeing as they had made a pact.
Spectacular performance from Kana Ichinose. She sounded nothing like Grail when playing the Scarlet-possessed one.
Clearly the two bonded right before Scarlet's execution, when she gave Constance a (wistful?) smile -- and then Constance was splattered by Scarlet's blood. Interesting that -- as of yet -- neither seems to remember that brief moment.
I am actually curious what will happen when Constance and Scarlet recall that this is not the first time meeting each other.
Just burn all nobles, they are twisted and evil af.
That part really made no sense, a bunch of rich nobles lynching a rich noble girl on the spot, alongside the son of the party host no less. They went all evil red glowy eyed, so maybe they're all witches or something.
The crime for stealing another woman's fiance was an *immediate* public execution.
Would the crime for stealing an expensive piece of jewelry have also resulted in immediate mob justice? If not an execution, then some sort of public flogging or other humiliation on the spot?
If so, then that makes Pamela all the more awful. This society appears to be obscenely brutal, so framing Constance wasn't just a way to break off her engagement, but could have resulted in severe bodily harm and/or death.
But yeah, the glowing red eyes before the 'death by dancing' was hella sus: what is *wrong* with these people?
I'm beginning to think that young Lord.... Hastings? Wasn't merely a coward, but that he was legitimately terrified the mob would turn on him too if he had unsuccessfully defended Constance. Like if his voice wasn't enough to sway the crowd, he'd hang next to her as an accomplice.
Because these nobles do NOT fuck around.
... just, y'know, excruciating torture
I agree. It actually makes me conflicted about continuing to watch the show. As whole it felt unnecessarily cruel. The synopsis otherwise reads interesting.
There's plenty of anime where someone like him is sorely needed.
So yeah, they left that a little more ambiguous than I think they should have. I suspect next week as our heroine deals with the fallout we'll get more specificity.
Scarlett is *so* gorgeous, but I kept waiting for the OnK eye to happen. I can’t explain why.
IDGAF how overthinking I am, that bitch only showed half his face with that haircut, that means he only showing half his personality.
Hearing that わたくし ✋🏾😮💨
Drag them down, girl, drag them down! They came for you, so you send for them!
*Eeeeeeeeeee* oooo we didn’t need that blood SFX my ears 😬
Why does the OST sound like I’m about to see an shounen boss fight? But I love it!
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My favorite reason I like this series is that it’s not an isekai. Not that I don’t love OIs—I do—but fantasy villainess stories that rely on regression or other supernatural elements are my shit. Another!
Kana Ichinose voicing Constance while being possessed just makes me giggle when she was a sapphic bimbo gundam pilot (Suletta, *Gundam: Witch from Mercury*) and Fern (*Frieren*).
Suzushiro, show off the range, girl! I can’t believe she’s even voicing our “jirai” girlie this season.
More than ready for Azakami’s voice in this.
The ED is a vibe!!
That's .... damn, spot on. xD
This one looks interesting for sure; I was to go "meh, another villainess story" (but still watch it), but this concept seems fresh.
Thankfully, we didn't have to endure your usual villainess start, where Constance would get humiliated and kicked out. Instead, she [gets possessed by a ghost](https://i.imgur.com/AKMsopT.jpeg) who proceeds to [destroy Pamela with facts and logic](https://i.imgur.com/4DEKgqY.jpeg) after finally [convincing the cowardly eyewitnesses to speak up](https://i.imgur.com/CyTU87g.jpeg)
And Constance didn't just destroy Pamela, [she even ended her engagement!](https://i.imgur.com/fLbFiuG.jpeg) Watching those noble ladies [circle Pamela like they're a pack of wolves ready to hunt](https://i.imgur.com/segNQ2U.jpeg) was actually terrifying. I did not expect them to punish Pamela [by making her dance non-stop until her feet were bleeding.](https://i.imgur.com/VbAxauO.jpeg) O_O
Alright, [I am already sold on these two.](https://i.imgur.com/dmEc1Jb.jpeg) I can't wait to see what kind of things Scarlett will make Constance do so she can get her revenge on the Prince.
It’s a terribly bad idea to anger a room of nobles.
Not only did Pamela steal another person’s fiancé, she indirectly also made a fool out of everyone who’d supported Constance’s engagement to Neil.
That's a really good reason to point out. They might punish Pamela on Constance's behalf, but deep down they’re really doing it for their own satisfaction. They hold a grudge.
Sounded like they're going to keep at it until she's dead?
She won't be able to show her face in "polite" society for the rest of her life. There's no coming back.
She'd be lucky to get a pity stipend from her family and lover, assuming he doesn't bail, which he likely will.
But I also utterly adored Scarlett!Constance taking everyone, especially Pamela, to task.
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This Scarlet just uses her words instead of her fists.
For now, at least, we don't know how it'll pan out. After all, the other Scarlet was scalding with her words as well :,)
- [That sure was *something* to watch up close and personal as a kid.](https://i.imgur.com/jKIhYs8.png) [](#emiliaohdear)
- [She just had to witness an instance of Neil and Pamela holding each other](https://i.imgur.com/qDRNTHY.png) *and* [kissing too.](https://i.imgur.com/pily4sn.png) Damn. [](#toradorasalute)
- [There’s a Constance “sore demo”!](https://files.catbox.moe/dxoc1s.mp4)
- [What is this girl’s problem with Constance…](https://i.imgur.com/xmlunTS.png) [](#sakurathink)
- [Ah *fuck*, this was a set-up to make it look like Constance stole the hairpin…](https://i.imgur.com/4hODnV8.png) [](#finethen)
- [Oh *fuck off*.](https://i.imgur.com/2JpVlMc.png) [](#bruh)
- [Well that’s one way to turn the tables on Pamela.](https://i.imgur.com/lLm5APj.png) [](#kotohoops)
- [There’s also a Pamela “sore demo”.](https://files.catbox.moe/b4v32m.mp4)
- [Good, Wayne made the right choice.](https://i.imgur.com/XfBUkBS.png)
- [The perfect mic drop to end her speech, lol.](https://i.imgur.com/xxZhPFC.png) [](#kukuku2)
- [Oh, uh… I wasn’t expecting *that*.](https://i.imgur.com/S22vciM.png) [](#whatdidijustread)
- [Mm, of course that’s what Scarlett wants.](https://i.imgur.com/D4QrZca.png)
Thought Pamela would get a punch to the face, but being force to dance until her feet bled was probably worse.
Pretty decent ep. Keen to see how this vengeance goes for Scarlett. I’m guessing she also got betrayed by her betrothed and executed when she tried to fight back against that skank that stole her man.
Sign me up for it, here we go again
In addition, acting with sincerity and honesty, I admit I am watching this title for busty Scarlett, and her intense purple eyes.
Obviously, Scarlett is using her own interests here, but she prevented Constance from being executed, and I have to say, Constance desperately needs new friends, because Brenda had the most to gain by not being part of that plan.
Anyway, I'm hyped for this show
If you wanted her fiancée and were already romantically involved with him and didn't wind up with him due to a political marriage what makes you think this sort of thing would work? Clearly Neil's family chose Constance. Pamela is quite the idiot.
It wasn't until Scarlett basically told that kid that he'd go to hell for not coming forward that he finally did.
> Pamela is quite the idiot.
And yeah also this. Not every teenage kid is some kind of criminal mastermind. I've met lots of kids who think they are being sneaky shits when they are actually transparent as hell. Especially one as entitled as Pamela.
Think of it like those isekai where the protagonist is sent to another world trope
Pamela doesn't know that there are witnesses (even Constance only noticed one). She probably knows that Constance is easily intimidated. She's a shy 16-year-old girl (we see her drinking alone in the corner) and something completely outside her experience is happening to her. Most people would freeze up in that situation.
The only implausible part is that the plan relies on Constance noticing Brenda's hair clip is loose.
Yes, Pamela gets to bully her, but to what end? She won't get Neal who is in an arranged marriage, and she already one-upped Constance by kissing Neal in front of her. So, she just makes Constance look bad which makes Neal look bad by association and she also pulls this from nowhere because how would she know to get involved and decide to make a big fuss over it?
Constance isn't a social butterfly but she's a noble in noble society who is shown socializing throughout the episode just fine. I can understand her being shocked by the accusation, but if she just calmly went "No, I held it for her while she went to get her bag. I'd be happy to give it back right now" I don't see the situation going anywhere.
I agree about the last bit.
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I like how the Grail family still wields influence despite being a debt-ridden noble house. Their motto, “Be sincere” is clearly important here since we see how Constance gains support from other nobles and has them punish Pamela themselves. A lot of quiet social power play at work here, with status and influence letting society handle offenders.
I also liked the small details, like Scarlett calling Constance “[omae (girl)](https://imgur.com/a/girl-N4PEDUN)” which subtly tells us that Scarlett is from a way higher position than Constance Grail.
I love how Scarlett goes straight for the kill, attacking Pamela for kissing Constance’s fiancé.
Love the OP.
The whole set-up and delivery at 8:30 of the main girl stealing the maid's accessory IS SO DUMB
I have nothing else to say. I know I am not the target audience of such stories, but this is an affront to writing as a concept.
But nope, just another historical figure, not like she got a front row seat and a souvenir or anything. I'm surprised Constance is not suspicious of getting cursed from skin contact with a witch's blood or something along those lines.
I'm onboard for the ride and to see how the partnership of Constance and Scarlett works out. Would be a cool setup for a doomed yuri series, but no matter.
Starting with an execution and actually committing to "Hey, this is kinda fucked up" is a great starting point. Not because I think violence is badass or whatever, but it establishes the stakes of the story. This is a world where the worst can and does happen.
The way the protagonist is dealing with her fiancee cheating on her is good, because she's not in hysterics. She recognizes that this was never a marriage for love, so she's not happy about what's happening but she also recognizes that the dude being into someone else isn't, like, the end of the world either.
Hey, there's some people with different body types! Not a ton, but we always give bonus points for an anime with actual distinct builds. Hope to get lots more from the best friend character.
The classic villainess starting gun "shamed in front of everyone at a ball" gets a fantastic twist here. The scenario gets uno reversed by a... ghost possession? Not only is that new, but it's extremely clear that this is not a nice ghost. In framing our nice girl as a villainess this court has accidentally summoned the real deal lol.
At the end with the bloody dancing, it's impressed on us as viewers that there are real stakes for everyone involved. Even for the nobility, there are consequences that range from bloody to lethal. The execution was not just something from the past, we're in a dangerous society.
So all in all, this rips. This is awesome.
The part about "my family motto is being sincere" is not my favorite. You can have an honest character without making that some weird moral code. In fact it's much more affecting if a character is trying to be honest just because that's how she likes to be as opposed to a character trying to be honest because that's the family motto or whatever.
If we're lucky it will be a more equitable relationship where Constance grows a spine and stands up for her way of operating and she's able to get some W's through being a decent person. That way it's a good cop/bad cop dynamic and the characters can both grow, learning from the other. I would love that.
>Betrayed by her fiancé’s lover and sentenced to public execution, Constance Grail, a plain viscount’s daughter known for her honesty, faces death—until a mysterious voice offers salvation. Scarlett Castiel, a noblewoman long thought dead, may be her only hope. Together, these unlikely allies uncover a dark conspiracy lurking in the heart of high society, where betrayal, secrets, and power collide.
Was this another AI thing because that is clearly wrong. Constance was never even close to being sentenced to public execution.
But yeah, I see what you're saying, I don't put it beyond human error but it being AI feels likely.
WTF happened after possessed MC exited the ballroom? They just went all evil glowy eyed and forced that torture punishment on a noble girl (AND on the son of the party host???) because of that villainess stunt she pulled. That just came out of nowhere and made no sense. "The first in ten years." - did the ghost bewitch them too? Or were they already witches? I hope this gets explained soon.
"The brainless prince and the scheming princess framed me and had me executed." "How can you speak of them that way???"
I think Connie was shocked by Scarlett's unfiltered and rude way of speaking
Since [Scarlett](https://imgchest.com/p/pg73ona6o7r) and [Constance](https://imgchest.com/p/bp45olvnv75) are polar opposites in terms of personality, I expect [it'll be really fun](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c829ae094297.png) to [watch these two work together](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/489640d9bb03.png) to avenge Scarlett's death.
Also, I can't wait to see how [Constance](https://imgchest.com/p/bp45olvnv75) will change because of [Scarlett](https://imgchest.com/p/pg73ona6o7r). She definitely has a lot of potential for growth.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* [Scarlett](https://imgchest.com/p/pg73ona6o7r)
* [Constance](https://imgchest.com/p/bp45olvnv75)
* [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/md7obnpr94p)
* [Pamela](https://imgchest.com/p/na7kk6lwq78)
* [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/ne7b6mzvny5)
A villainess ghost revenge story. That sounds like a lot of fun, especially with Scarlett being wicked as hell. How she delivered her unveiling of Pamela's evil scheme was so satisfying to watch. I can't wait for more.
Scarlet remembering all their names after a bit makes me assume she was using Connie's memories, I wonder if that will be relevant eventually.
Another though, I wonder where the Eris part of the show name comes from, I don't think anyone we've seen has that in their name. Normally when an anime uses Grail they're just doing a grail legend sort of thing, and while they're doing that too given Holy Grail in the name it's also Connie's last name too.
This whole party thing was seeming a bit suspicious from the start.
Okay, this Pamela woman is legitimately infuriating. That smug face is just begging to be punched.
Lesson one, there is always a bigger fish. She fucked around and found out that there’s a better player at the manipulation and scheming game in the audience.
Fine, I’ll admit I was a little bit vengeful towards Pamela but that’s such an overkill punishment. I don’t like her but that’s unnecessarily harsh. And they would presumably have subjected Constance to that if she lost. I have the feeling those nobles just wish to see bloodshed no matter what. (Maybe someone should direct a little bit of bloodshed their way.)
Lesson two, good deeds pay off but not without a cost. She made it out of the trap thanks to letting her into the party but is now tangled up in assisting a vengeful ghost achieve her probably bloody vengeance.
I love a good royal conspiracy to be dismantled. Let’s get to it!
It has been too long since we last had a noblewoman named Scarlett brutally destroying her enemies after being framed. The time has come and the tax must be paid! THE MAD DOG NOBLEWOMAN SHALL RISE AGAIN!
[](#etotamadunno)
Why exactly did Brenda play along with the plot? Why would Constance even supposedly still be in such dire need of money, if the whole point of marrying Neil was that his family would pay off their debts?
And was the whole plot really riding on the hope that "maybe no one who actually saw what happens speaks up", and Scarlett's fantastic reversal was essentially saying "no u" loud enough that someone did?
[](#animatedthink)
Pamela's punishment -- were they actually forced to dance to literal *death*, or not? -- seemed a bit over the top, and also made all her decisions until that point kinda unbelievable. If the stakes for getting caught, be it for adultery or lying, were really that high, would she really have flaunted her affair so openly (everyone was gossiping about it, after all) and taken such massive risks for almost no gain? But I'll give it a pass for now, on the notion that maybe it's some kind of evil ghost wizardry from Scarlett infecting the minds of the nobles, or something.
And the bloody feet thing looked *brutal*. It was kinda cool. So I'll allow it.
[](#biiru)
With all that said, it was an entertaining time, and I'll definitely keep watching to see which way this develops!
I think Scarlet was like Connie before being betrayed, and that's why Connie could see her, because they're similar.
I finally get to hear two of my current favourite seiyuus in the same anime: Sayumi Suzushiro and Kana Ichinose.
It reminds me of the first time I heard Nao Toyama and Kana Hanazawa working together.
Interestingly, I consider Suzushiro and Ichinose to be the successors of both seiyuus, respectively.
I see that Youhei Azakami is also in the cast.
Could it be that Guel Jeturk will now be able to have the love story he always dreamed of with Suletta Mercury?
Hamsworth blushing after he got talked down to was amusing.
Question, Miss Ghost is another Scarlet, is Scarlet considered a super sexy name like Julius is in Japan?
Okay so since I enjoy these like candy, I'm okay with it hitting all the tropes that's fine, but what had me clutching my pearls was 'rutting'. You ever read a piece of dialogue that's like 'Rut me proper' and like oh my gosh so rutting in the shrubbery is just so scandalous, something about fucking but described archaically, 💋 even if it is used against the an antagonist,
Ohh Constance, baby girl is so screwed, she got roped up in a messy probably prince killing scheme, always gotta read the fine print man, I don't have an inkling how she can manage that if she's just a viscount's daughter that's like barely above baron, good luck in your future endeavors Connie!
The ghost revenge twist is nice instead of making it an isekai. They don't have to force some Otome game angle, or "I'm trying to survive the in game death"
This show didn't fuck around and kicked off at 100km/h right off the bat. I certainly didn't expect seeing a girl get executed within the first few minutes but here we are.
That was the most satisfying way to stop a cheating fiancé and a dumb bitch from slandering someone. Go Scarlett!
I also hope we get to see Constance grow a backbone because of her being with Scarlett.
I'm fucking sold... and I want a full adaptation of this.
Okay, of the new shows I have watched the last couple of days...This is by far my favorite so far. I feel like a lot of the "Villainess" anime I have watched go for a lighter tone...certainly both last season did. So starting off with our actual villainess getting beheaded in a pretty grisly scene certainly set expectations.
Also the fact that we have two separate Scarlets as our villains in back to back anime is going to make discussing these shows a bit confusing.
Anyway we get the denunciation scene, and last season's Scarlet now has me spoiled to expect to see schemers getting punched in there face.
Nevermind, I think the verbal punching of the possessed MC is more vicious. Although she does share the other Scarlet's love of come downs...good use of rutting there...
The way the older nobles collected around the failed antagonist felt like a school of sharks smelling blood in the water. Didn't expect they would actually go full medieval on the punishment. I'm thinking we are going to need to go full French Revolution by the end of this series...
The dancing at the end; I read the Snow White comment above. In some versions of the Cinderella story the step mother also dances in hot shoes till death; maybe not in the original Aschenputtel tho.
I was frustrated that Constance is such a push over but, at least the resolution was creative; the set up was weak but, we moved past it fairly well.
The blood falling on Constance is perhaps the link to why she can see Scarlett.
I'm definitely locked in!