Gnosia - Episode 13 discussion

### Counting the number of crew member appearances and role assignments

In the first cour (12 episodes), there were a total of 14 loops. Episode 3 and 4 were two loops each, while the others were one episode a loop. (According to one of the interviews above, there was originally a direction that loops will be dialogue heavy and span multiple episodes. It was after Jukki Hanada joined that they decide on the one-episode-one-loop structure to better pace things.)

| Name | Crew | Gnosia | Engineer | Doctor | Guardian Angel | Guard Duty | Total |
| :--------- | :--- | :----- | :------- | :----- | :------------- | :--------- | :---- |
| Yuri | 10 | 1 | 1 | | 1 | 1 | 14 |
| Setsu | 9 | 1 | 1 | 3 | | | 14 |
| SQ | 6 | 2 | 2 | | | 1 | 11 |
| Racio | 7 | 3 | | 1 | | 1 | 12 |
| Jina | 7 | 4 | | | | | 11 |
| Shigemichi | 3 | 3 | 1 | | 1 | 1 | 9 |
| Stella | 7 | 1 | 1 | | 1 | | 10 |
| Yuriko | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | | 9 |
| Comet | 3 | 3 | | | | | 6 |
| Chipie | 3 | 2 | 1 | | | | 6 |
| Jonas | 4 | 1 | | 1 | | | 6 |
| Kukrushka | | 1 | 1 | | | 1 | 3 |
| Otome | 3 | 2 | | | | | 5 |
| Remnan | 2 | | 1 | | | 1 | 4 |
| Sha-Ming | 1 | 3 | | | | | 4 |

A rather curious arrangement is about Yuriko. Being named similar to Yuri, she has been present in *every loop since her first appearance in episode 4* (except the comedic episode 7, and I don't see why she couldn't, that episode setup was already unfavorable for the Gnosia). Since she also expressed knowledge about other timelines in episode 5 (cold sleep last will), is she secretly a looper who is here to observe the chaos?

Jina, the girl who likes Gnosia least, was the member who played Gnosia role the most times.

Setsu has a high affinity for Doctor it seems. I know you can't decide what role you're assigned, it's more like a coincidence.

| Name | Alive | Cold Sleep | Dead | Total |
| :--------- | :---- | :--------- | :--- | :---- |
| Yuri | 10 | 2 | 2 | 14 |
| Setsu | 8 | 3 | 3 | 14 |
| SQ | 6 | 3 | 2 | 11 |
| Racio | 2 | 5 | 5 | 12 |
| Jina | 4 | 3 | 4 | 11 |
| Shigemichi | 2 | 5 | 2 | 9 |
| Stella | 7 | 2 | 1 | 10 |
| Yuriko | 5 | 2 | 2 | 9 |
| Comet | 3 | 3 | | 6 |
| Chipie | 3 | 2 | 1 | 6 |
| Jonas | 3 | 1 | 2 | 6 |
| Kukrushka | 2 | 1 | | 3 |
| Otome | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 |
| Remnan | 3 | | 1 | 4 |
| Sha-Ming | 1 | 3 | | 4 |

(I counted the Kukrushka incident in ep8 as if they have been put into Cold Sleep, because that's what the Results say during the fake ED.)

I had expected Racio to have comically high mortality rate (the only two times they were alive when the Results was displayed, was when they were Gnosia and eliminated Yuri (ep4, ep6)). I didn't expect Shigemichi to die so easily, though. He is so forgettable that I don't remember him getting randomly C.S/killed.

And finally, for the five starting members, Yuri (because we observe the loops through them) and Setsu (because they arranged the "game" with LeVi) are always present. SQ was missing from episode 5 (Comet intro), episode 7 (a comedic episode), and episode 12 (Jina route). Racio was missing from episode 7 (a comedic episode) and episode 11 (SQ route). Jina was missing from episode 4 (Yuriko intro), episode 10 (Citizen Slime), and episode 11 (SQ route). I guess episode 7 was somewhat special in picking its members.

Huh, I did not know that about the stage. That's very interesting!

Now that I've actually seen this episode...

+ Does anyone find Setsu's voice cuter in the first half? Like they finally softened a bit in this particular timeline.

+ So Yuriko has known the core mystery since the beginning! But why did she say "go freeze yourself" when she first met Yuri in episode 4?

+ When Yuri was reminiscing about Setsu's loops and Kukrushka, a lot of possible setups was shown, and some setups don't have Yuri.

Pure gold. Raqio and Shigemichi insta freeze is the funniest shit.

Yuri asked if there was anyone with engineer credentials, not who is engineer. What I think happend is Shigemechi got ahead of himself and clamimed engineer even tho there wasn't one proving that he was Gnosia.

Don't know if it's something could happend in original game but it would be funny. Also Shigemechi is one person that I think could do it.

Well Shigemichi and/or Raqio getting voted out first, is pretty lore accurate in the game.

At least he managed to ship/wingman our lovely duo (telling them to hold hands)!

[](#delighted)

Setsu doesn’t have to be the sole Gnosia. I am sure Setsu have enough clout that their potential Gnosia partner would definitely agree to attack whoever Setsu choses

believe it or not, in my country, straight to jail

The only legal cliffhanger to this episode should've been for Yuri and Setsu to dress up to get married.

[](#seasonalpout)

What is wrong. It seems good to me, the slice-of-life and mystery are really natural.

Love me some slice of life moments

Setsu already mentioned in episode 10 where they experience the Kukrushka Incident, but Setsu was killed before being awaken in episode 8 so that meant Setsu experience a different Kukrushka Incident. Setsu already says they go through hundred of loops in episode 4, Yuri and Setsu are always presented meant there are more loops that we don't see. But of course whatever Yuri knows is already all that we know. It makes sense.

> Otherwise, there should also be loops where either Yuri or Setsu are missing.

It's the anthropic principle. The original anthropic principle states that the reason the physics laws of the universe are as such is because, if they were not so, there would not be an "us" to observe that universe. Similarly, for those timelines where Yuri was never onboard, we simply cannot observe them, because the PoV is missing.

As for Setsu, they arranged this whole game setting with LeVi. If she was not present, the ship would have self-destruct. (This is explained in episode 1.)

> Though, does that mean, the silver key changed Yuri's gender?

I believe this is heavily implied to be so from what Racio said in episode 10.

> Not sure how that would be able

Just loop and loop until we meet a 0 Gnosia worldline, I think? There are already timelines where it is strongly unfavorable for the Gnosias (episode 7).

Yuri and Setsu don't loop in the same order. For example Yuri could be in loop \#10 and meet Setsu loop \#50, and the next one could be Yuri loop \#11 with Setsu loop \#40 or \#60, something like that.

Seems like an extension of Sha-Ming’s “I’m not going to the meeting, Cold Sleep me if you want” attitude.

I can answer the deal question in Source Material corner.

Well that is the deal like when Sha-Ming locks himself in, if you avoid the meeting then you already avoid getting possible cold sleep and other humans can't have any infos based on your actions and behaviors, it isn't fair for others. They also don't have any day to waste (Gnosia wom't wait). People agrees to the meetings bc it needs to be fair. And of course people normally wouldn't object bc they don't want to get into cold sleep while 2 other people get away scot-free. It actually happens to me in werewolf game, no one wants to continue to play it if someone can get away from the discussions.

> Almost as if she's been watching the episodes with us the audience

And she didn't even hold our hand...

Shigemichi would NOT stand for that.

[](#seasonalpout)

Someone who doesn't participate in the meetings is useless/unhelpful at best, and a Gnosia trying to avoid being caught in a lie at worst. It's a solid cold sleep choice - especially since is a low-info game where making exact deductions is difficult and playing the social game is critical to who gets voted out.

Iirc Yuriko was poking the fish that was more or less confirmed to be Yuri's

Setsu probably did not even actually want to kill Yuri, they probably did it as a warning that “i can be gnosia, DO NOT blindly trust me” thing and killing Yuri off was to seal the deal that “no you cannot trust me, look i can kill you too”. If Setsu was entirely logical they would have either stayed silent or even manipulate Yuri as you said

I don't think Yuri is that gullible, Yuri really locks in about the meetings, they are really cautious toward Jina in episode 12, Yuri would caught on eventually. Yuri and Yuriko are the worst people to manipulate and only they might be more logical than Setsu in the meetings (Raqio talks too much and is easy to cold sleep). Eliminating Yuri is the right decision. Setsu also needs to fill their own Key so either Yuri or Setsu survive to the end works.

I went back to check, this Gnosia Setsu in this loop filled about 80%, the largest we have seen so far. The Setsu we dated in the first half only filled about 50%. So Yuri wrongly assumed this Gnosia Setsu is the same as the "younger" one. I think this Gnosia Setsu could have already collected info about Kukrushka, they were just waiting for Yuri to make that mistake.

> (to be fair though i think Raqio is pretty consistent in loops too so no wonder Yuri did not figure it out)

I wonder if you’re onto something here? We already know Racio is the most book-smart of the cast and understands how the Silver Key works. It’s entirely plausible that they have some knowledge that will only come up once Yuri knows the right question to ask.

It's an interesting way to explain the game mechanics. After so many loops, you get an option that tries to pick the ideal layout to trigger character events. You still have to meet the conditions for them though.

> I would have forgotten 10 loops ago

1 loop ago*

[](#urbansmile)

Well, to be fair, if I was in his situation I'd remember things by association; Like, if you remember who was cold slept, you remember the arguments people mnade to cold sleep them, who argued against that, and so on...

But yeah getting them all with 100% accuracy (when some of them barely talk), would be tough!

That is a good point. And the key has this information but keeps pushing it for it anyways rather than find an easier way for Setsu.

Pretty much the case. Yuri has a lot more empathy and charm which draws multiple people to agree with him/her, while Setsu is more focused on the technical details.

A similar game does this, where your main character constantly loops, and the villain keeps failing at the game because of their personality.

Also, Setsu is very hesitant to reveal they are looping, even hiding it from Yuri in the second and third episode. Yuri seems to show someone their Silver Key every other episode, which works great for getting people to open up.

not to mentioned Setsu had to do it all alone and explore the mechanics by oneself, Yuri got a big head start by having Setsu be the guide

Setsu has numerous handicaps that make it much harder for them than Yuri.

The most obvious being the one they state in this episode -- they can't treat the worldlines as disposable, because they always think about the fact that it will persist after they loop. Yuri is, apparently, more than willing to break hearts, step on people, and do whatever it takes to get information -- but that's more because they're a bit inconsiderate more than anything else.

Setsu also is bad at thinking flexibly, as their issues with the movie this episode indicate. Not only do they have difficulty accepting fictional plot devices, but they think procedure and rules should have been obeyed in it -- just like they always harp on meetings and such. It's hard to say if they're just neurotic or if their military upbringing erased a fair part of their free will, but it makes it very hard for them to think outside the box or do anything particularly radical.

They have so many other flaws that make them poorly suited for this kind of time-loop mystery... really, the only major advantage they have is their determination. Everything else about them would make them *terrible* to follow as the protagonist, because they are the kind of person who'd keep doing the same thing over and over again -- not because they don't know it won't work, but because they're unwilling to compromise their principles to solve the mystery.

Something interesting is we see Setsu's progress more than once in this episode, one is almost the same a Yuri (a little over half) and the other is almost full.

Also Setsu has to gather information on someone who has amnesia (Yuri), talk about ultra hard mode.

Me and my partner laughed at that part, very fast and small part but raqio always being sent to cold sleep first is never not funny 😂😂

Yuriko: Isn’t this guy supposed to be smart ? Figure it out that i have the answers already, i am so bored here

> is NOT a valid defense for a plot hole, Yuri!

*They are the protagonist*, though, so it is natural for them to take that stance. Look at how much info they collected in less loops than Setsu.

Edit: oh wait, the whole "the military and the detective" thing is the writer poking at the Setsu-Yuri dynamic, isn't it? Setsu is so serious and always want to take on things themselves, but Yuri is here to shed light on the truth.

It reminds me of the Doctor and River Song, meeting each other at different points in their lives.

I dunno...Gnosia wasn't doing too bad in the weekly rankings. Not like poor Touijima, which I think has a lot greater risk of getting buried.

The episode discussion threads are usually near the top of the subreddit, so it's at least getting traction here.

You should give the game a try. It's a pretty good single player Werewolf simulator, in addition to the character events.

The 4th wall is more of a 4th mild suggestion for Yuriko, tbh.

Yes, it was briefly mentioned in the cour 2 trailer. (so this doesn't count as spoilers, I hope)

I'd agree, but perspective could also play into it. Yuri simply might not care what other refer to him as. He might also consider it inappropriate to handle any unconscious body, male, female, or otherwise. Stella would be the right person to call since she's an extension of the ship itself.

I'm sure the last one is just Yuri being considerate and only Stella is the safest person to check on Setsu, which Setsu misunderstands.