Why does it feel like Fate is the favorite child of Japanese studios?

i swear, no matter what Fate IP it is, it will always gonna have good animation. We are long past Deen Stay Night and the Tsukihime anime in 2003.

We all know the Unlimited Budget Works meme beacuse of Ufotable, but other studios cooks just as good as them.

A1 did both Apocrypha and the currently running Strange Fake, both have different feels, but both have good animation.

Cloverworks with Babylonia, Production IG with Camelot, Last Encore with Shaft, even Prisma Illya with Silver Link has good animation.

I probably missed a few, but man if you are a fan of Fate, you guys are lucky you dont have to worry that much about the animation because of the track record.

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Linksobi2026-01-12 10:01

I feel like it's mostly related to how profitable an IP is tbh.

-_Seth_-2026-01-12 11:27

...I mean, have you seen how large parts of Dragon Ball Super looked?

Linksobi2026-01-12 11:34

Well Fate usually does 12-24 episode series or movies, we've never seen what it'd look like with 100-200 episode serializations. Even One Piece couldn't survive a long serialization without looking bad in many arcs lol.

O_ni56982026-01-12 11:40

Tbf it was less about how profit heavy the project was and rather how little time the production team had to make stuff in super's case.

_PPBottle2026-01-12 13:36

DB id a separate topic. They are in Toei hell.

Type Moon when they see a bad adaptation they can just go to another studio, DB IP cannot do that, much less now that Toriyama is gone.

DrStein10102026-01-12 14:18

Type Moon is massively more profitable when compared by timeframe.

Falsus2026-01-12 15:20

I mean Blue Lock was the best selling manga of 2023 and then look at the treatment the second season got... or Reincarnated as a Slime by the same studio is another example.

Or A Certain Magical Index season 3 (althoguh 1 and 2 where not done fairly either but still a lot better than season 3).

In short, being at the top rung of the ladder doesn't guarantee shit.

Ok-Toe69322026-01-12 19:34

> manga

It will not bring as much money as FGO tho.

DrStein10102026-01-12 23:54

Blue Lock and Index are nothing compared to Fate as money-making operations.

Fate is like two digit billions in USD.

Pandalicioush2026-01-13 00:10

Manga sales in itself is not where the cash is, merch and spin-off projects like gacha such as FGO is way more profitable than paperback sales will ever be.

TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark2026-01-12 10:03

Fate fans are not lucky because everything released after Hollow Ataraxia is laughably bad.

Ashteron2026-01-12 10:35

So, which Fate released after Ataraxia have you consumed?

TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark2026-01-12 10:41

Zero, kaleid, apo, extra, fgo, that time travel manga, extella.

Ashteron2026-01-12 10:43

This isn't all of them. Have you considered not making statements about things you haven't read/watched?

TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark2026-01-12 10:47

Stranger Fake is a light novel, and light novels, just like YA, are by definition shit literature. I don't need to read it to know it's terrible.

Ashteron2026-01-12 10:49

2/10 trolling, because I bothered prodding you with a stick.

TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark2026-01-12 10:52

”I have low standards and everyone who doesnt is a troll"

Edit: "My standards are so low I reply instantly and then block them out of fear they will actually respond."

Ashteron2026-01-12 10:57

Everyone who is convinced something is bad without trying it is either a troll or an exemplar of Dunning-Kruger effect with overinflated ego. Choose your classification yourself.

AzureDrag0n12026-01-12 11:51

"Anime is bad because it is just for children."

AhegaoMilfHentai2026-01-12 10:03

Fgo makes so much money for them that they dont have to cut corners due to budget. Gacha games pay for themselves and everything else if they take off. Fgo is one of the top dogs.

AliceinTeyvatland2026-01-12 10:08

Ufotable is so good, they made good anime with Fate and Garden of Sinners way before the FGO boom.

zackphoenix1232026-01-12 10:16

Garden of Sinners was something else. Imagine watching that in 2007, insane.

Sibula972026-01-12 11:32

Yeah, the story and worldbuilding was a bit weird and not great, but the music and visuals were amazing.

moichispa2026-01-12 14:32

I watched the first movie back in 2007, but I was also watching their Tales of symphonia OVAS (super slow release it took then years to release them).

The jump from ToS arc 2 of the ToS ovas from arc 3 was amazing (arc 3 was after the movies) Jusr search for the openings on youtube (tetheala arc & united world arc)

YuueFa2026-01-12 13:42

Not even only this to be honest, Garden of Sinners were Ufotable first big project iirc since they were mostly working on short movies original series and commercials back then and it was such a success. Nasu's and Type-Moon friendship with them started with this and the rest is history.

Careful_Ad_90772026-01-12 18:47

To think that before that, they made a futa anime.

cap213452026-01-12 10:31

For reference FGO has made 7 billion plus in revenue over its lifetime

The entire japanesse domestic anime market is worth 10 bil and obv it isnt a perfect comparison cause its lifetime vs yearly but regardless

A single fate anime probably contributes 100s of million in extra revenue for FGO through more players

Sentryion2026-01-12 11:23

Need to clarify that fgo is probably up there with the most insane profit margin in the industry. Unlike modern gatchas that require probably hundreds of million in developing, fgo is dirt cheap to continue comparatively.

FattyHammer2026-01-12 11:49

this is such an understatement. if i was a developer for any other gacha game in the industry i would be so angry at FGO. the amount of "work" going into FGO as a game (outside of the writers) seems to just be commission for 4 arts and expression sheets from an artist, 3 outfits of sprite animations (i understand they tediously do this by hand in a relatively old-fashioned way), and then the rest of the staff go down to home depot to get rakes so they can clean up all the incoming money in the office.

in short, i agree. their profit margin is insane.

Biobait2026-01-12 12:33

To be fair, the paper thin production cost is why they're able to focus on the game's biggest selling point. There's no way in hell Nasu would be allowed to rewrite a 30-hour story arc for any big budget gacha.

FattyHammer2026-01-12 12:49

i more or less agree with any sentiment that their resounding success allows them to prioritize story quality. i'd say though, that the "game" would be nothing without the story. they almost require the story to be good, there is nothing else holding the house together. and while the entire staff is waiting on nasu, what are we getting? surely not QoL or new and interesting game modes...

while i generally lean towards "better late and good than early and bad", FGO took/takes that to an extreme, we're waiting literal years between chapters. i'd like something longer and more polished than HYV's 6-week schedules, but 2 years is... the literal opposite end of the spectrum. surely something inbetween can be made to work well lol.

levishion2026-01-12 13:31

Nah i rather wait 2 years for Nasu masterpiece than 2 months for hoyoslop

TheOneAboveGod2026-01-12 15:01

based. even the shittiest FGO chapters (septem, agartha, heian-kyo, tunguska, super bunyan) are at worst, slightly above average quality for other gacha.

Cross_Toss2026-01-12 17:25

Dissagree. Septem was so, SO much worse than anything Hoyo has put out. Also Heien-Kyo was good what are you on about?

Tesalas2026-01-12 15:04

As a person who has tried to get into FGO multiple times, it's hard to get into the story when the game feels so antiquated. For me its a similar situation to Granblue. I have no idea how FGO and Granblue get new players if they do at all.

krunchi2026-01-12 15:50

To me, it's a combination of low barrier to entry and continuing relevance of older characters. FGO is the easiest FATE game to get into aside from anime, being very easy to download straight from any mobile app store. The gameplay itself is... isn't great, but it's still very playable with nuance in its systems. I think importantly though, while there are certainly bad pulls, no character is outright unusable (except maybe Angra but he's a special case in many ways). Each pull that gets you a new character is at least worthwhile, since you never have to chase for extra gear or copies aside from solely comfort.

Also, FATE fans are cracked, and they've had years to build up fans, lore, and smut. It's almost guaranteed that if you consume doujinshi, you've seen at least one FGO doujin whether SFW or not. Similarly, any time there's a new outfit or character, you're gonna get art of it practically the same day they're announced.

Part of it is the game, but the other part is the massive culutral zeitgeist that's behind it. If you consume anime, you're inevitably going to encounter FATE, and people are inevitably going to at least get some passing interest, which leads people to seek the easiest ways to interact with it, that being the animes or FGO.

atropicalpenguin2026-01-12 16:12

It's also a 10 years old game, there isn't much they can do gameplay wise beyond what they've already done (even though they gave up with Grail Fronts).

FattyHammer2026-01-12 18:21

the fact that Grail front exists at all means they can do it if they try.

clearly their strat is just conservative. don't do anything controversial, don't invest more dev time than needed, just maintain the game.

TheBewlayBrothers2026-01-12 14:48

I wish they put in some more money into fgo, but as it keeps printing money they have like no insentive to actually do anything

mythriz2026-01-12 16:27

There's also paying the voice actors, but then again some of them also play FGO so they just end up giving the money they earned back to FGO lol

xzerozeroninex2026-01-12 16:59

FGO has some big names draw servants that has worked on popular manga’s,vn’s,ln’s and video games and those aren’t cheap,while most gacha games hire amateur artist from Pixiv that probably get paid minimum wage.

AhegaoMilfHentai2026-01-12 19:14

I remember FGO had a huge amount of jack nothin' going on for over a month. It fell to like number 10 on JP mobile game sales (unheard of for FGO). They released a servant and shot to the number 1 spot. No story or event for them either. Actually unreal.

HebunzuDoor2026-01-13 07:49

FGO fell to the depth of hell before, lowest I've seen was 145, before shooting up to no.1.

the game doesn't have any monetization like battlepass or weekly/monthly pack, so people would only spend money when there's a banner they want to roll, so no surprise when there's nothing new for a while

maxdragonxiii2026-01-12 23:40

FGO do deal with time and dev crunch, mainly surrounding the stories (see a full year of delay, delay, delay of Lostbelt 7, and Lostbelt 6 having a full rewrite, making Castoria's profile released a year beforehand nonsensical now)

desterion2026-01-12 14:27

There was a number released about 4-5 years ago that FGO made about $300 per download. That's not even per player. It's more than that now.

IM_REFUELING2026-01-12 15:39

Some whales so powerful they become a threat in the Re:Zero universe.

JustARedditAccoumt2026-01-12 17:20

>7 billion plus

$8 billion plus, actually.

MokonaModokiES2026-01-12 10:44

its more than that. The series is also owned by the writters themselves who approach working with other companies in a more personal and casual way instead of the usual corporate one from companies like Shueshia or the Kadokawa group.

the creators of the franchise(Kinoko Nasu and Takahashi Takeuchi) come from doujin circles and have never left their mindset from those times in comicket and similar.

We constantly hear from people coming from more corporate like companies being shocked at how casual they are(example Yoshinori ono coming from capcom and joined the FGO development team Lasengle/DW).

I would compare them to Valve and Gabe newell. They are quite similar in how they handle things.

ShinItsuwari2026-01-12 13:06

Fate/Strange Fake was born from Nasu and Ryogo Narita geeking out over a drink.

They wrote down a bunch of cool ideas and the main characters. Originally it was only supposed to be a one-shot, a sort of cool introduction to a setting with only a description of the participants (kind of like a DND intro), and then they decided to wrote a full novel on it.

MokonaModokiES2026-01-12 13:31

yep and the one shot was also an aprils fool release. Its among the reasons that i love so much TM works. They are way more wacky and experimental.

Nino_sanjaya2026-01-12 10:59

Still waiting for that Genshin Anime

Mistral-Fien2026-01-12 12:45

Probably after ufotable finishes Kimetsu no Yaiba. :O

MobileTortoise2026-01-12 14:22

I believe they have to do the Witch on the Holy Night movie after that.

Idaret2026-01-12 16:36

Mahoyo in 2040, lets goooo

Maximilian_Sinigr2026-01-12 16:43

You sure are optimistic

MobileTortoise2026-01-12 17:34

I WILL be there (if my nursing home lets me)

MobileTortoise2026-01-12 14:21

Iirc we don't even know it's an anime, didn't they just announce it as a "project" as in it could be a movie or even just an OVA or some animation compilations

NamerNotLiteral2026-01-12 11:50

This is one of the big advantages of microtransactions. People hate on the concept, but 95% of the spending is from whales, and the idea of a few wealthy whales funding the development of so much quality media and entertainment is basically how the Humanities have worked since forever.

manquistador2026-01-12 18:20

Not all whales are rich though.

KaleidoTropes2026-01-12 20:12

The game didn't even have a pity system until later too, so ofc whales were dropping thousands just to NP5 their favourites. But even with the pity system, the amount needed for pity is absurdly high, at least compared to other gacha.

The probability for a 5* servant was also insanely low (compared to other games).

I honestly think the IP carried it, cause the gameplay itself and the story in the beginning were lackluster. Though the story really popped off later on midway through the 1st part.

DanishNinja2026-01-12 12:43

But isn't this the exact reason people give when other shows get a poor anime adaptation? "It's not worth it because the manga/merchandise/games is already so popular". Why is it worth it to spend a lot of money on this series in particular?

LOTRfreak1012026-01-12 13:48

It's the whole 'this is a reward for the fans' mindset vs 'we're doing this to draw in fans to begin with' mindset. Cygames does the same thing with Umamusume, Priconne, GBF, etc. The big companies basically want people to enjoy the game in other ways too and they have the money to allow the studios to take longer on projects to make sure they look good.

Razetony2026-01-12 13:21

Kinda like people talking all about Umasamune animation. Also a gacha game that makes tons of money. Hell even Princess Connect had really good animation with the plus that it was the konosuba director during the time there was still nothing about a season 3. ClownchyRoll fumbled the bag so hard on the global version that Cygames self published Pretty Derby.

WeeziMonkey2026-01-12 14:27

But this subreddit keeps telling me that quality is more complicated than just budget

VritraReiRei2026-01-12 17:30

There's also management and scheduling which the Fate works have little issues with.

Ponczo1232026-01-12 10:04

Because it's extremely popular and sells huge amounts of merch just as Space Balls have a joke about it "Merchandising where the real money from the movie is made" which was a great hidden joke because George Lucas allowed them to make movie if they forfeit their rights to make merch

magnidwarf19002026-01-12 10:05

They like money

kirbyverano1232026-01-12 11:30

Love how every time I see a random clip of an anime with extremely good animation there's a good chance it's from Fate.

That or a studio ghibli film.

jnads2026-01-12 16:22

You forgot Kyoto Animation.

Euphoricus2026-01-12 10:09

Fate Grand Order is a mobile Gacha game that has been topping revenue charts for years now. Its billions of yen each year.

Any anime is really an advertisment for FGO. And because the money is for marketing, producers can splurge on animation without worrying about return on invesment.

Maximilian_Sinigr2026-01-12 10:30

>Any anime is really an advertisment for FGO.

Don't mind me. Just waiting for Lostbelts to be adapted.

Gamingplanet1072026-01-12 10:51

I'm waiting for Epic of Remnant to be animate before LB since i feel like they need to give at least context with Shinjuku, Shimousa, and Salem but prob skip Agartha

TwilightTenshi2026-01-12 10:54

I would LOVE to see Shimousa animated just to finally have Musashi AND Muramasa animated, i'd go freaking nuts lol.

Euphoric_Metal1992026-01-12 11:31

Just imagine the Final Duel being animated.

JShadowH2026-01-12 14:42

It's probably never happening, but my copium dream is that they skip Agartha and animate Seraph instead since it's an epic of remnant main interlude

LectorFrostbite2026-01-12 11:41

if they're going to adapt any of those it'll probably be losbelt 6 which is honestly pretty standalone and can be viewed by newcomers

LunarGhost002026-01-12 15:55

I think it'd be really difficult to animate since it's so long it would take forever, and animating a single Lostbelt would require a ton of context, but Lostbelt 6 could probably work since it's the most isolated one while being a top tier story. There was a survey not too long ago asking players which one they'd like to see as an anime and LB6 won. There was a similar survey that preceded the Babylonia anime where Babylonia won. Not saying a Lostbelt anime is likely, but it would almost certainly be LB6 if it happens.

Xinnoh2026-01-12 16:23

LB6's adaptation will be top 25 on MAL during its finale

It's wild to predict an anime that doesn't even exist being so highly rated but given the circumstances it's honestly a pretty tame bet.

Sweet-Message11532026-01-12 10:09

BERSERK & One Punch Man fans- 😭😭😭😭😭

Ponczo1232026-01-12 10:19

I still don't get how Berserk didn't receive proper adaptation. That Manga is so popular worldwide that it's one of few that got leather version

But there are many examples of popular manga having terrible adaptation for example kingdom is Japan Game of thrones even though it's almost none existing worldwide it has huge popularity among Japanese. So you wonder how the hell they were allowed to butcher 1 season so much and censor entire series to the level of shounen gore where the original Manga is freaking seinen

Sweet-Message11532026-01-12 10:22

yep... Japanese anime production houses have not been able to adapt good seinen series in a long time. They've toneed down sex, blood & gore so much so that OPM manga, which started as a seinen became shonen to attract producers

all the recent seinen anime series have had Western backing(Devilman, Cyberpunk)

Ponczo1232026-01-12 10:24

That's why I gave up on watching kingdom and instead read it I'm at chapter 100 and my god the art is peak compared to Anime

Sweet-Message11532026-01-12 10:25

F*** yeah... welcome to manga reader gang

NarutoFan19952026-01-12 10:40

i will never forgive them for ruining bastard....

Misternogo2026-01-12 10:55

It really bothers me, too. Because I grew up on anime like Akira and Jin-Roh. I'm used to actual animation and not a slide-show that's practically a manga audio-book, and I'm used to there being actual brutality and gore when someone dies, rather than the PG-13 nonsense that has invaded everything.

Like I started watching Sentenced to be a Hero and figured it would be more of the same trash fantasy/isekai type stuff that's all over Crunchy Roll and it had actual animation and adult centered violence. I wasn't sure what year it was for a second.

Own_Argument892026-01-12 10:24

I think the case of OPM is even bigger. I think we can debate OPM was/is/got bigger then Beserk, in both Japan and outside of it.

Sweet-Message11532026-01-12 10:26

OPM s1 became an international hit and 1 of the biggest shows of 2010s...... how TF they fumbled it is beyond my comprehension

Ponczo1232026-01-12 10:27

I think not everyone is a fan of grimdark stories that's why Berserk may not be as popular compared to OPM who resonates with everyone. I recommended it to my friend who doesn't like Anime alongside demon slayer and he loved them both because it's very normie friendly

zackphoenix1232026-01-12 10:15

Studio Deen's FSN wasn't that bad tbh. It doesn't have the craziest Sakuga in the world, but there wer some really nice cuts and the atmosphere was just on point.

As for quality, I think it's just because this IP has been around for decades and Production Committees know that these works are worth investing in.

Edit: I love how Strange Fake looks, it's probably now my favourite looking Fate anime. Just beautiful and creative all around.

LaplaceZ2026-01-12 10:34

Deen wasn't too bad animation wise, and the atmosphere as you said is really good. I also really liked the oat, I think it's much more memorable than other adaptations.

The problem most have is that they "tried" to merge the 3 routes into one and it was bit of a mess.

Mons90902026-01-12 10:47

They probably did that because they maybe weren't sure it would get another adaptation

Axros2026-01-12 11:16

It's also just a fairly standard way to approach visual novel adaptations. Unfortunately, it's also almost always disliked, which surely contributes to why visual novel adaptations are fairly rare nowadays. Anime is just not a good medium for a story with branching paths.

Mons90902026-01-12 11:50

Honestly you're right but I still really liked the stay night adaptation, even more than ubw (haven't watched heavens feel yet). I do plan on playing the VNS as well eventually

M8gazine2026-01-12 15:56

>visual novel adaptations are fairly rare nowadays

They've gotten more common recently though, no? Just last year or so there was Summer Pockets, Atri, 9 -nine- and most recently Gnosia. I'm probably forgetting something too.

But you're right in that even then, they're much less common than manga/light novel adaptations are.

SolomonBlack2026-01-12 14:15

And in point of fact did not for some time.

00s Fate was very different place to be.

Sibula972026-01-12 11:36

Wasn't the ost mostly or even completely reused from the VN?

Dir83862026-01-12 11:54

it was not. there's a couple of tracks like emiya, sword of promised victory etc. that got a new arrangment, but there was no reused ost.

Blacklance82026-01-12 13:49

Outside of merging everything all I remember is that cg dragon

countemerald2026-01-12 14:42

It’s not only a mess. It spoils the other routes in major ways. That’s why Deen shouldn’t be watched first.

It assumes this will be your one and only experience of FSN and its routes, by its very nature of combining them.

MonsterKiller1122026-01-12 10:17

Their mobile gacha game prints way too much money. Businesses care about money.

ResidentWaifu2026-01-12 10:18

Profitable IP that sells in the billions.

Tho tbf Ufotable has been on their A-game before the Fate anime.

Weebs-Chan2026-01-12 11:22

There was also Kara no Kyoukai with extraordinary animation for 2007... From the same franchise as Fate, lmao

It was when they first nailed the Ufotable look, the unlimited budget work goes pretty deep

YuueFa2026-01-12 13:46

Garden of Sinners or Kara no Kyoukai was their first Type-Moon project (2007) and their first big scale one too (9 movies from short to long) and it kinda set the style of today's Ufotable. No wonder Nasu and Ufotable friendship is history at this point it's not just a Fate thing.

SirSirFall2026-01-12 14:19

13?

YuueFa2026-01-12 14:23

Mistake on my part \* (ufo wiki weirdly lists KnK having 13 episodes though even their date is incorrect)

Admirable_Dig6462026-01-12 10:23

It's a multibillion-dollar franchise. Any anime they make from it is almost guaranteed to be a success. So the studios are able and willing to invest in a higher budget because they know they will see a profit. A newer IP, on the other hand, is risky and has to prove itself first.

NarutoFan19952026-01-12 10:39

so was one punch man....

Tempest3212026-01-12 11:02

OPM is popular but lacks the financial success of an IP like Fate which is already worth billions.

Mehchu_2026-01-12 11:24

No it wasn’t.

The fate franchise is a multi Billion dollar franchise because it has fate grand order pumping money into the anime’s as a form of advertising and getting more money back through tie in events and new characters in the game.

One punch man doesn’t have that. Not even close.

OrangeLovesTangerine2026-01-12 11:29

Comparing One Punch Man to the Fate franchise in terms of financial sucesses is a terrible comparison

Anomalocaris1172026-01-12 11:32

I mean One Punch Man... That anime died an unjust death

AliceinTeyvatland2026-01-12 11:44

Fate is a much bigger IP in Japan, one entry for them equals to all of OPM. For example, with how much Demon Slayer gives Ufotable and its execs money, they didn't forget about this golden goose, they're still making Fate IPs to this day, like the upcoming Witch on the Holy Night movie.

I know you mean no harm, but this comparison feels like an insult lol

scot9112026-01-12 14:14

Yep. They're also willing to let an anime cook until it's ready because they know it'll be a success in some fashion no matter what. Need I remind everyone that it was a meme for at least 3 years on whether Strange Fake was even going to come out this year or not.

Maximilian_Sinigr2026-01-12 10:25

Because Fate, or rather, Type-Moon as a franchise is not unlike Marvel or DC in the West in terms of either massiveness or profit.

And well. Let's not pretend that it didn't have some hiccups here and there (FSN Deen, the forbidden Tsukihime anime etc.).

tarutaru992026-01-12 10:39

I wouldn't glaze Apocrypha's animation too much? It was okay, but it was not a level that supports Fate being called a favorite child.

The answer is that you're over indexing on Ufotable's generational work with UBW, Zero, and Heaven's Feel. Babylonia was fine, Camelot was fine, Case Files was fine, but all three were nowhere near UBW's level. As for why they get so many anime adaptations, its simply because Fate is a huge and popular IP and not because the industry prefers them particularly. Its the other way around, imo.

Blue_Reaper992026-01-12 11:10

What are you saying? Apocrypha had some of the best animators of the industry. Ep 22 is still one of the most ambitious eps of TV anime history. It was visually lacking a bit and was inconsistent but the highs were very high.

Same with Babylonia except it was visually more appealing and also quite consistent. Every episode had some sakuga. The amount of sakuga this show has easily surpasses both Zero and UBW. This was pretty much a sakuga fest show.

For Camelot movies , the first movie was decent nothing special. But the second movie was one of the best sakuga fest movie one will see.

tarutaru992026-01-12 11:32

I'm speaking purely from a viewer's perspective, as I don't care enough to familiarize myself with the staff's reputations. I was simply not as impressed by the animation as I was with Ufotable's.

Apocrypha had some good sequences, but it seemed to lack a certain level of polish to it. It could be a stylistic decision, too, however. It reminded me a lot of the Pain vs Naruto scene (and to be clear I love both scenes), but its characteristically rough around the edges. I'd love to learn how it counts among the most ambitious episodes in all of anime btw (purely curious and not being sarcastic here)?

As for Babylonia, I don't recall anything impressing me outside of Quetzalcoatl's meteor kick. Enkidu's Enuma Elish was great, but not in particular thanks to the animation I don't think. Babylonia ranks just around alright to me, overall.

Strange/Fake feels like it has A LOT of potential, though. And it better be with how long it's been cooking in the oven haha

Aftertone-2026-01-12 11:39

Babylonia you need to rewatch it and pay attention to the subtletly of it. It had it every episode unironically

-_Seth_-2026-01-12 11:29

"Fine" definitely does not do justice to Babylonia and the second Camelot movie. Those looked phenomenal.

Sbee_keithamm2026-01-12 10:50

Probably because of how different, yet how recognizable each Fate series is except for Zero with UBW. Like yes their each about a Holy Grail War in essence but how you get there is so out of its way or a gottdamn background narrative framing device. Each studio gets to try to get rights to one that they find interesting.

Blue_Reaper992026-01-12 15:08

>Each studio gets to try to get rights to one that they find interesting.

No studio holds any right to the Fate. They were simply approached by production committees.

Ragno12026-01-12 10:54

They all goon to the base material soooo ykyk

Tolike852026-01-12 10:56

Camelot part 1 doesn't belong in that list. Both the animation and direction are passable at best. Even the climax (Stella) was just okay compared to other series' highlights.

PLAP-PLAP2026-01-12 11:10

Easy answer: GACHA MONEY

You think they pull that money out of their ass? Studios love fate because its funded by whales

n080dy1232026-01-12 11:20

It's a big IP with a pretty strong pedigree as animation goes, that is couched heavily in fights. There's a reason one of the two worst animated ones since the very first is Case Files, which is more a mystery series with some action on the side. Surprisingly the other is the FGO First Order OVA, which you'd think would've had that FGO budget behind it, but it came out only a year and change after the game did and a year before the NA release so the game had yet to pick up much steam. While it didn't look bad Lay-Duce certainly didn't put out a stunner by any means.

Also the two Camelot movies were actually made by Signal.MD and Production I.G. (IG was only on the production committe for Camelot 1). Which I was honestly unaware of. Though Solomon got kicked back to Cloverworks.

Uishauvei2026-01-12 15:15

And even if you listed fown Case Files as one of the worst animated series, it's still one of the good Fate animes to watch that expands a lot on the Fate worldbuilding and how the Mystics and Magecraft work. Not to mention they also have one of the best sets of characters that are enjoyable to watch and have fun interactions with each other.

n080dy1232026-01-12 19:21

Absolutely, Case Files is a particular favorite entry of mine since it draws on a lot of different corners of the universe including some Fate rarely touches (this is part of why I view SF as a spiritual sequel to it).

Ok-Boot60632026-01-12 11:25

Fate go adaptation completely sucks i don't know what you are saying

Anomalocaris1172026-01-12 11:29

It's got a good reputation and the studios and committees seem to care to uphold the reputation. .

Really Garden of Sinners began the trend, those movies still look fantastic. I mean I'd argue in terms of art Stay Night looks very good it's just the animation which kind of is mid compared to what comes later.

And Tsukihime... Well it's not good but it has really nice music. Oddly the music in all the adaptations have never been bad, always got some fantastic bangers.

Ok-Palpitation51512026-01-12 12:09

Well, the actual reason probably is related to FGO making billions rather than what you said. I agree with you opinion wise, but I think the financial part of FGO has more weight to why fate constantly looks great.

Anomalocaris1172026-01-12 13:46

True apparently another comment pointed to the culture the Fate Committees have being different to say other Production Committee's. Nasu never lost his indie sense, so strides for quality.

Which I gotta say might also be part of it.

YuueFa2026-01-12 13:52

While FGO is part of the reason let's not forget the major success that Garden of Sinners (that made what Ufotable is today), Fate/Zero and Fate UBW anime from Ufo were and they all released before FGO.

TransposableElements2026-01-12 15:18

> Oddly the music in all the adaptations have never been bad, always got some fantastic bangers.

Fate Apocrypha, in terms of type moon anime its probably mid at best in terms of story and writing?

but my god, [the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnE6c6CQQs) by Masaru Yokoyama is [absolutely atmospheric](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-U3Buxaeoc)

Anomalocaris1172026-01-12 16:02

I've got a soft spot for it as it was the first fate series I watched as when I found Fate it was alphabetical so I picked the A one first XD

BasroilII2026-01-12 15:21

If nothing else, more variations of EMIYA than anyone knew they needed.

Ademoneye2026-01-12 11:34

Meanwhile tsukihime and mahoyo fans still starving

Hate0102026-01-12 11:35

It's a combination of a lot of variables but mainly:

1- How TypeMoon approaches and works with the studios, despite being a company TM operates like a doujinshi circle where you have a lot more leeway with deadlines.

2- The characters in general are really good and the stories too, combine that with FGO money and you have a winning recipe.

But the TM sauce goes way before Fate itself, Kara no Kyokai for example, while not being a heavy action series like Fate, still goes hard with the atmosphere and detail put on the animation.

And probably a lot of the production consumes TM media and are fans so they put that extra work. If you want another similar example, just look at Touhou too.

crixx932026-01-12 20:01

Type Moon was smart enough to not sacrifice their artistic integrity because of greed

darkmacgf2026-01-12 20:30

> you have a lot more leeway with deadlines.

Shame this didn't happen with the Camelot movies. Those were rushed as hell.

varnums16662026-01-12 23:51

First part was bad. I was shocked at the sheer upgrade part 2 was. It was a night and day difference

doquan21422026-01-12 21:41

KnK ages like fine wine with that Ufotable animation, magical OST from Kajiura and imo finest work from Maaya Sakamoto.

Prestigious_Sale_6672026-01-12 11:35

Because it is, it's like japan's marvel/dc in a way.

Aftertone-2026-01-12 11:37

You should consider Fate is a series that has been around forever and is responsible for getting a lot of these people into the industry in the first place, widely beloved by both the people that watch and the people that makes. This in turn has made it very succesful and production committees can see it as a good investment. I feel like everyone is saying "FGO MAKES THE BUDGET" not exactly true. The budgets are decided when the committee decides. It's more so that... people just like Fate.

1000-MAT2026-01-12 11:58

Just look at the names of the studios and you'll have your answer, like when was the last time one of these studios made an anime with bad animation.

Fate is one of Aniplex/Sony's most profitable IPs, so obviously they're going to choose good studios.

BasroilII2026-01-12 15:20

In before someone mentions Deen (FSN, UBW movie) or JC Staff (Tsukihime, yes there was one)

Although for my money Deen was...fine...for their adaptations.

xan9262026-01-12 12:08

Unlimited budget works.

sdarkpaladin2026-01-12 12:25

You should check the parents of those animation companies.

You'd be surprised that they are the subsidiaries of Sony Music... Who own FGO.

oshnot332026-01-12 13:10

*Pretend Fate/Extra Encore never release*

Talgrei17812026-01-12 13:34

all that and yet still no Fate route remake 💔

CreamerCrusty2026-01-12 13:36

Everyone talks about money. But what if it's just passion. What if people just love Fate that much. And a lot of creative worker loved Fate.

Strange Fake for example. Ryohgo Narita (Baccano, Durararara, Dead Mount Death Play) initially wrote Fate/Strange Fake as an April's Fool. Only to then get serialized. And if you read the after word of the novel, you will see how much of a Fate nerd he is.

And he's not the only one. One other high profile people is Gege Akutami (Jujutsu Kaisen). And there is a lot more.

Japanese Otaku loves Type-Moon project.

Edit: and from there, you can see how Fate makes a lot of money. It sells bcs people loves it so much.

youarebritish2026-01-12 17:18

Surprised this wasn't higher up. Nasu's work was a huge inspiration to a lot of creative people in Japan. Kara no Kyoukai was a passion project by a team of obsessive fans.

frumply2026-01-12 19:38

Yup, this thread in general seems to not understand the magnitude at which Fate/SN, and also Tsukihime, was a hit. The interconnectedness and expandability of the entire nasuverse certainly doesn’t hurt but ultimately it’s the fact that the series had enough polish such that almost everyone had touched it, through legal means or otherwise.

Le_Meme_Man122026-01-13 10:26

The underestimation makes sense.

How many people on this sub do you think actually read VNs, let alone know about them?

Fawful4262026-01-12 13:59

With how profitable the fate series is we’ll get a tsukihime remake… surely…

AlexPieFan2026-01-12 14:15

FGO

EnsonAmata2026-01-12 14:25

Unlike a lot of another anime properties, Fate actually makes money. A lot of money.

Platinum_Rad2026-01-12 14:29

literally every artist MFer in the industry is like a thousand bucks deep into FGO

it's called sunk cost fallacy

banecroft2026-01-12 14:35

Because they can afford to pay for it. That’s it really.

moichispa2026-01-12 14:39

Gacha money, it is not the company which does that.

Sif paid for better animation for future lovelive series (OG first season CG is terrible)

Revue starlight gacha paid for the movie (it is amazing)

Uma musume paid for series besides the Uma musume ones (Zombie land saga, Akiba maid war) they even have their own studio now (Bravern, The summer hikaru died).

I guess it is more noticeable for typemoon because most of them are called Fate/something but it is far from being the only studio doing that).

Far_Scratch_1192026-01-12 14:40

Kya tum log mera anime concept sunna chahoge

Far_Scratch_1192026-01-12 14:42

Wada karta aisa concept kabhi nahin bana
Achha na lage to mujhe gaali de lena par ek baar sunkar dekho
Yaar please

Far_Scratch_1192026-01-12 14:43

Kya bolun koi to yaar jawab do

Far_Scratch_1192026-01-12 14:45

Are you people interested to hear my anime manga concept

Far_Scratch_1192026-01-12 14:48

Kya tum log mera anime concept sun na chahoge
Please
Aisa concept h ke tum logo ke hosh ud jayenge aaj tak aisa concept nahin dekha hoga

IWorkOnlineCom2026-01-12 14:48

Man, I almost made this post yesterday cause I was watching Fate Strange/Fake.

I wish my favourite series' received even half the treatment of the Fate universe.

But in general Fate is a money-making giant so I think the studios are usually taken care of financially hence why no matter the studio, every adaptation is always so high quality.

Other series adapted from manga-only works simply haven't made enough on their own yet and the production teams don't spend enough to get the best teams, timelines, and manpower to produce peak.

GoingSeafoam2026-01-12 14:49

Sometimes it also comes down to whether you can find some freelance animators that want to spend their time doing some cuts for a series. Fate isn’t a good example of this point but this is sometimes now something niche can get a team of good animators than something more mainstream. Who you’re popular with can matter, Type Moon having deep roots in the fan art and doujin community means they also probably have no problems finding freelance animators who want to work on their series

BasroilII2026-01-12 15:00

One of the most successful VNs of all time followed up with a gacha that basically prints money, and has enough side franchises to do multiverse before multiverse was cool?

Can't say.

Lolersters2026-01-12 15:05

Because it's not a feeling, it is. The franchise prints money and its fans are very dedicated. Therefore, anime adaptations will be given enough attention to receive the appropriate budget, scheduling and talents to ensure a high-quality production.

Uishauvei2026-01-12 15:08

I'm still waiting for the Lostbelt and OC anime adapt that would be a banger.. especially LB6, LB7, OC2, and OC4 (I wanna say OC3 as well but it's an event story + main story)

nYuri_2026-01-12 15:17

if the standards are high, you kinda have to deliver

I_like_boring_stuff22026-01-12 15:52

Lots of money, but I think time is a bigger factor. Many franchises have the popularity, but still put out super rushed adaptions. Fate projects probably don't have tight deadlines to meet given Type Moon pretty much operates on, it's done whenever Nasu feels like it.

When Tsukihime remake part 2.

RooeeZe2026-01-12 17:27

even the last game samurai remnant, u could tell was made by people who enjoy the show / media.

PPGN_DM_Exia2026-01-12 17:28

I don't think people in the west fully grasp how influential Type Moon works have been on a lot of otaku culture. Obviously it has cash to burn, but I think it also attracts the best freelance directors and artists because of its iconic status.

It also helps that it's always had the multiverse element to it, which makes it very conducive for other creators like Narita to "play in the Fate sandbox" and build their own stories using the Holy Grail War framework. It's kind of the same thing that Star Wars has (had?) going for it, though I would say it has had much more mixed results in the process.

h3X_T2026-01-12 18:51

Idk man, if Nasu called me and told me to drop what I'm doing and help him instead with some project, I'd do so free of charge. There's just some goats you can't say no to

Overall-Parsley-5232026-01-12 23:59

An underrated huge reason is that despite how big they are Type Moon still operates like a small doujinshi circle, which means for everything except Grand Order (which is largely handled by a different company) they’re extremely lax about deadlines. They let creators take as long as they need to do the work right, and time is by far the most important factor in making good animation.