Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou • Jack-of-All-Trades, Party of None - Episode 3 discussion
*Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou*, episode 3
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Glad the kids caught on that Orhun is still incredible. I thought they would not follow him and cause issues.
They're going to the dungeon for sure. Total Hero Party Wipe incoming, I hope Blue survives at least.
Its about as cookie cutter as you can get. Hoping there are some surprises though.
Glad Orhun's little brigade were convinced as to Orhun's considerable abilities. Somehow I suspect that the last day of training is NOT going to go well for at least some of the people going into the dungeon that day.
Which makes me think her absence was not a coincidence. The defender, witch, and 'hero' all knew she'd raise a stink, so they had a surprise meeting to oust Orhun behind her back.
Now the real question is how will the new person, the green haired chick, assess the new party she's been recruited for? Is she going to dress them down for being idiots, make excuses for herself, or just go "what do you mean you expect me to cover 232432 roles simultaneously like the last guy!?"
Team builder came out out 11 years ago.
It's pretty pathetic if an outsider can tell this from a single group exercise, but the team itself is largely unaware of their own capabilities.
They have the 'before Orhun switched" and "after Orhun stepped up" experiences to compare...
And they still undervalue how much his efforts contributed to their meteoric rise. Orhun even said they had stalled in progress before he switched, but then moved to fast afterwards.
What did the others think was the secret to their success other than Orhun's change to Enchanter? If he got them to floor 94, higher than any other party apparently, then obviously they (as a party) were doing something right.
They probably had this line of thought.
Especially since Orhun, likely the blue haired healer in the party, Selma, and her guild leader all saw the same thing: the party was overreaching *with* Orhun, and would crash without him.
So how can outsiders see this but those within not even consider it?
The same reason why the Defender deliberately misunderstood why Orhun became an enchanter. When Orhun tried to say "I switched because this is what the party needed and I had the best aptitude for it," the Defender *angrily* cut him off and said "You were given the bitch work because you were the most disposable." Technically he said "you were the weaker of our two Swordsmen, so we gave you something else to do," but the anger in his voice made his true feelings clear.
That and the "witch" was upset that the supporter was 'bossing her around.'
It's clear these people have more pride than sense and always had it out for Orhun. The hero likely protected him as long as he could, but after the joint raid with Selma...
Completely misunderstood what was going on and gave in to the others' desire to boot Orhun.
Edit: OH the green hair'd girl. I thought that was the blue hair'd girl lol
That's typically something only rookies and those stuck in mediocrity are guilty of, as true success is rarely achieved by those that can't accurately assess risk Vs their own capabilities. Not in the long term, at least.
I guess I can concede that the Hero's Party is a victim of their own success, or more specifically, the success that Orhun brought them.
While *believable* I still see it as a *failing* on their part to not accurately process the stark difference in their performance after Orhun's class change. If they were truly the hot shit that they clearly think themselves, the difference in group power level wouldn't have been so... extreme.
Orhun states the party had stalled, hard, when they pushed into the deeper floors. But shortly after he switched, they became the top ranked party.
That alone should tell them Orhun's efforts were the key to their success, something that multiple outsider observers instantly pegged.
I guess I can buy it if we start with the presumption that the party never valued Orhun to begin with. In the first episode, the Defender and Mage were downright *hostile* towards Orhun and even challenged his narrative of why he became an Enchanter. The Defender claimed it was because Orhun sucked as a Swordsman, so to get any use out of this loser, they had him try out a new trade. The mage also looks down on him for very petty reasons: he's qualifications, on paper, aren't top tier and she doesn't like that he 'bosses her around.'
So completely forget that they only achieved success *after* Orhun became an enchanter, what's more important is their *pride.*
So yeah, rookie flaws all around.
I liked smart kid's little arc of misunderstanding and correction, but having him flashback 30% of the episode while explaining it was a drag. This show has some solid stuff going on and there are just a few little things that weigh the experience down.
Yeah, that was a glaring red flag of saving animation time. They also used some CG in the spider fight (that didn't look terrible, at least) and I remember a still shot of a beer mug lingering way too long.
Hopefully they were just banking animation time so that the big fight in the dungeon where the MC inevitably shows off how OP he is looks better. If that's the case, I don't mind this episode taking shortcuts. But it is also possible that they're already running short on animation time 3 episodes in and, if so, that would be a horrible sign. You usually don't see these kinds of shortcuts until halfway through a season.
It was fun to see the dynamic between Logan, Carolina, and Sophia; I hope they continue to appear and become part of Orhun's daily life.
Speaking of Sophia, I wonder where her relationship with Orhun is going, since the show has been highlighting it since the first episode.
Well we do know it's not going to be the blue haired childhood friend because they never win.
LOL! you always know with anime. if there are multiple choices, and one of them is a loli, pretty close to 100% of the time, she's going to win (for whatever value of "win" that particular show will allow).
I honestly don't understand it, but it's pretty consistent.
Sophia probably has a crush. I don’t know if Orhun reciprocates but he definitely has a fondness for her.
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I like plenty of fantasy trash but this script is like a kid telling his friend what a show was about.
Double flashbacks plus a hit piece article? Gee, I wonder how someone can show he isn't weak? Oh look I solo'd the boss...happy now?
I'm sure I will still give it a few episodes more but it really needs to at least be mid. There really doesn't seem to be a reason for him to actually party with anyone if he wants to solo. Could prolly get rich just farming the the middle levels.
That baffles me too. I've been wondering about that in the previous episodes already and hope it will actually be addressed at some point.
Two reasons I can imagine could be that either the childhood friend guy had some beef with Orhun for whatever reason (probably jealous or something) or they're so locked into the 4 role party composition, which is so revolutionary, that a 5th member is just beyond their imagination.
But at the same time they have raids with multiple parties, so not adding more people to one party still makes no sense. lol
I can't imagine money being an issue for the hero party either.
Maybe it's the business analyst in me, but I would be 100% on board with carrying a party member that did nothing but administrative tasks so that everyone else can just fight. Yet in these shows the party always kicks out someone that does all of the admin work, often does all of the cooking, and actually contributes in combat - they just aren't perceived as contributing an equal share in combat and therefore they have to be kicked out.
If they do long term expeditions, having a few retainers at base camp taking care of chores might be a better alternative. But in case that's not possible, the last guy I would fire is the cook doing a side gig as the quartermaster.
Really weak writing, tbh.
That being said, seeing his old party struggle without him while he directs newbies effectively would have been a much better contrast.
And who wants to predict that we're going to see the usual trope of: the hero party is going to go into the dungeon and wonder why they're not as strong as before/not making as much progress as last time
They also had a fair number of minimally animated scenes too, which makes me wonder where the budget is going.
Ohrun buff/debuff are most likely weaker than some high class enchanters, but they probably have crazy uptime/efficiency which results in smoother combat and less risks
If that was the case I can see Ohrun in universe not being top of enchanters in a party that is excellent all around and knows how to play around buff and debuffs
But also how he hard carried a bunch of morons that swings and take hits whenever without care regardless of buff/debuffs being up
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Tho, in this stories it’s not unusual for the party to just be stupid beyond belief, so that he is OP full stop and they are complete morons is also possible
Considering what we've seen so far, it seems that this party did the moronic move to fire their raid leader who led them to greatness because other enchanters gave them a +3 instead of Orhun's +2 as a buff and some people had trouble taking orders.
Just get to the point, show them your skills, get them to shut their mouths, make them freeze in awe! Just kill some high-rank monster alone, damn it 🤣 Just tell them everything!
I wanna watch some OP MC show off their skills, I’m getting impatient here after 3 episodes and people are still mocking him like they know everything about him. Damn those people, always judging and looking down upon others. I’m sooo looking forward to it when they get their jaws wide open from his coolness!
It was nice seeing the newbies do party battles this time too, specially against the spider.
But tbh it never should have mattered to Logan in the first place, even if Ohrun really was too weak for the hero party he would still be overqualified for this training
It’s nice that Selma apologized for touting Orhun out and how bad that looks after the article. Sophia also still believes in Orhun. But Logan can’t help but be disillusioned.
But in practice, while he says all the basic suggestions, he helps in critical way like helping Sophia through her Orc PTSD.
And when the team faces off against a Spider Boss Logan doesn’t think they can beat, Orhun knows the exact tactics and spells they need to win. Even throwing in a pinch hit spell when Caroline gets webbed up.
Caroline is definitely distracting…especially her thighs and her chest when wrapped in spider web.
Logan is finally a believer in Orhun! Enough to want to surpass him too.
It’s nice to see Orhun growing closer to his fellow teachers and opening up to them. Opening up about how his grandfather inspired him to become a swordsman, how he converts to an Enchanter to help the Hero’s Party go deeper in the dungeon, and almost revealing how without him said party is about to hit an impasse in going further.
Caroline and Sophia shower scene! Sophia definitely wants Orhun to stay in the guild, but could she be the one who tempts him into doing so?
Looks like the Hero’s Party is back in the dungeon with an attractive green-haired replacement for Orhun. Best of luck to them I guess.
lets hope to see in next episode the hero party get their ass kicked. maybe little sorry for the blue haired girl but f 'em, she could have left them.
Orhun’s green-haired replacement could also just have no idea what she’s in for.
I mean it did serve two points,
a character who was questioning the MCs credentials now understands how talented they are instead of waiting for the big main monster in the dungeon at level 51.
And it explains the fighting mechanics/party dynamics that are handy for less experienced watches of the genre.
As someone who watches them here and there I greatly appreciated and thought it was well done
Good on Logan watching and deciding for himself, can't trust those tabloids after all.
Since they're heading into the dungeon I assume next episode is where the hero's party finds out the mistake they made in firing Orhun.
I’m morbidly curious about Orhun’s replacement. Obviously she’s not going to be able to effectively take over from him, but how bad is it going to be and what kind of person is she? Is she going to be another victim of the parties’ hubris?
The comment Orhun makes at the end about needing to gain more strength shows they relied too much on his debuffs and they aren't even aware of it, they think they're so strong because of their own power. Plus, they think Orhun isn't strong and so taking orders from him clearly riled up a couple of them. I'm looking forward to seeing how they fail without Orhun. I just hope it'll be satisfying.
But as all these hero's parties in the genre share the same two brain cells cross universe, they probably didn't realize.
I guess he could've just had Sophia one-shot the spidey with that Rock Arrow from the get-go, but wanted to give the other two some XP too.
Next ep - Total Hero Party Wipe? Would be nice if Blue at least survived and joined up with MC again.
The 3 rookie adventurers are competent too as long as they are given directions. Even the male rookie's reaction upon hearing the news is natural and not feel forced. And he has the brain to put two on two together and find the disconnect why a strong hero member was banished.
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Logan, accurately identifying the central concept of nearly all "Fired by the Hero's Party" shows when the hero's party dooms itself by firing it's most capable and cohesive member.
Selma --> Mejiro McQueen
Sophia --> Satono Diamond
Caroline --> Rice Shower
Luna --> Ikuno Dictus
Logan --> Rudy Lemono (minor character in Cinderella Gray)
Please no more exposition on content just viewed that could have been done in sub 30 seconds.. "That debuff... the Sharpness Up.. how well he conducted the party... he really is strong." done. Not the 3 minutes of re-used content they did instead.
And they will remain stuck in that place.
Meanwhile Orhun will help his assigned team reach first in their mini quest and probably join the gig at Selma's guild because Sophia asks him.
The only thing different about this kicked out of hero's party anime is that the hero atleast knows his strength even though he acts humble and has knowledge that the hero's party was actually relying on him.
He even tried to defend himself and not become a beggar/crybaby in front of them.
It was particularly bad this episode when the enchanter JUST NOW had his epiphany of "defenders defend so the squishies don't get squished!"
NO
SHIT
SHERLOCK
He's supposed to be a prodigy, and they have previous experience fighting as a trio, and yet he still tried to run up into melee as a support caster without fully realizing that he's a liability on the front lines!?
*sigh*
Also nice how they didn’t have the typical thing happen in these shows where the character like Logan ignores his orders causing something bad to happen which makes Logan realize he was wrong.
I guess now we get to see the hero’s party get their teeth kicked in. Usually how this goes.
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