Hell Mode: Yarikomizuki no Gamer wa Hai Settei no Isekai de Musou suru • Hell Mode: The Hardcore Gamer Dominates in Another World with Garbage Balancing - Episode 2 discussion
*Hell Mode: Yarikomizuki no Gamer wa Hai Settei no Isekai de Musou suru*, episode 2
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I love the contrast between Allen on Hell Mode, and Krena on Easy Mode.
You know that "living life in easy mode" is a figure of speech, right?
Anyway, find it funny how Allen had the brightest glow and even got knocked back, had mysterious letters drawn on the slab....and the priests had no reaction.
I had the same issue, the mixing was all over the place with the voices generally being too quiet and a few background sounds were way too loud.
I've already noticed the drowned out voices last episode and hope someone else will be in charge for the mixing from next episode onward. lol
*"I don't understand it, therefore it's nothing/not important" - Quality control inspector*
A kid and his family almost died because the mayor reported that a savior had arrived. Imagine if they also said the crystal malfunctioned immediately afterwards.
he can see his true stats but to others i guess his growth is too low so its all just E
which likely just means no talent
So the priests got scared, they don't know what it means, they are in deep trouble if they overstate anything with that flash of light and the funny writing so the priests are playing it safe to save their necks. "If the kid really has an unusual talent then the kid can demonstrate it later".
Reminds me of that alchemist anime last year where the proctors fucked up the exam but didn’t wanna admit it cause it’d make them look bad
Bro took more damage from that “ojisan” comment than he did in that duel against Krena lol. Poor guy’s only 24!
Things were pretty chill this week for a Krena-focused episode. Guessing we got some time skip coming now that there’s an instructor coming to town?
I don't think she touched the ground once during that flurry lol
I did like learning that the four parents are all childhood friends, the fact that Rodin and Gerda are actually hot headed bros who used to fight all the time was an amusing discovery.
The whole duel part was so unreasonable and frustrating to watch the way they handled verifying Krena's abilities. I understand their position after Zenof explained, but wouldn't the easiest way to verify be bringing the person over to their own approved appraisal? Or bring an appraisal tool with them?
Weird how Allen got assigned as talentless, there's clearly text which I know is glitched for him, but wouldn't it also be glitched for the people of the world? I'm guessing he'll eventually get appraised in the far future and the devs will have fixed the glitch.
Also, the balancing of the voices and background music was so bad, there's plenty of times you can hardly hear the voices. I'm worried it'll be like this the whole season.
overall some more explanation would have been nice
Wholesome but a bit sad; Probably 'stealing' because they're too poor to afford good food!
>The whole duel part was so unreasonable and frustrating to watch the way they handled verifying Krena's abilities. I understand their position after Zenof explained, but wouldn't the easiest way to verify be bringing the person over to their own approved appraisal?
Yup, talked about it in another comment, but it was ridiculously done... There's nothing that indicate that Sword Lords are so good that they win 100% of the time, right? So they could've killed her right there. 10 years from now "We're ready to go after the Demon Lord who threatens to eliminate humanity! We only need the Sword Lord, where the hell is she? Oh right".
And them explaining 'People lied before' doesn't really justify that!
She's 5 years old, basically a toddler still.
Just one of that grown man's legs probably weighs more than this smol child's entire body.
Even setting aside 'strength' being a game-like stat separate from actual muscle mass... there is just the sheer *mass* differential between them.
My point being, strength alone means little when the mere weight of his blows can send *this literal goddamn child* flying: which is exactly what happens.
You know how easy it is to rag doll a toddler? Hopefully you really don't, but still, every blow from the knight should have sent the *literal goddamn child* flying.
Balance and leverage matter SO MUCH MORE in a fight than mere strength, so no matter how skilled or strong you are, there is no fighting gravity itself.
And then there is training, expertise, equipment, reach (longer arms is a HUGE advantage I can't begin to touch on as I've rambled long enough), and Isaac Newton's basic laws of motion at play here.
But she's Sword Lord! That trumps everything! Including physics!
Seriously, this is why people roll their eyes at litRPGs. Stats need to be approximations of inherit capabilities, not the other way around... or worse, wholly divorced from them. When "bigger number = better number" every time, it gets real boring real fast. Tension is destroyed because all outcomes are deterministic based solely on stats.
Which is where you get a toddler clowning a grown ass man because "better numbers."
And it's the Temple that controls the appraisals... in a public ceremony, no less.
If anyone cooked the results, wouldn't it be the ones running the tests over some no-name serf wearing rags?
The Knight Captain was acting like this was all based on some honor system, when the appraisal is a magical ritual conducted by a third party in public.
So a far more reasonable way to verify would be to just take Krena to a different church, not inform her family the location of which ahead of time, and repeat the ceremony.
I mean, a Count has the resources to slip some money under the ~~table~~ altar, the social clout to depend a private ceremony and then intimidate anyone who knows better into keeping quiet, and/or the education, resources, and general means to trick the magic crystal.
But a **serf!?** How is the **serf** supposed to know how the magic crystal works well enough to fake results: they're illiterate!
Seriously, if anyone should be under suspicion, it's the priests running the ceremony or the village chief wanting to juke results to make his region look better.
So why threaten these powerless, broke, and illiterate **serfs** with death over something they couldn't possibly influence!?
First of all, the whole point was to show how kick-ass this five year old is because of her talent. Effectively showing us what "Easy Mode" would have looked like compared to what Allen is going through.
But if that's not good enough for ya, let's think it through. The problem originally was that noble families were faking their talents, right? That means big money and power was involved. And if one ceremonial tool could be hacked, all of them could be hacked. Therefor it's a waste of time to try to re-do the tests. Much simpler and faster to simply force a demonstration when extremely high level talents appear. And this episode shows what happens when you directly test a high-level talent. It's a good test.
"But serfs wouldn't have the money or power to hack the orbs!"
So what? The system was mainly put in place to catch cheating nobles, but it's a simple and clear way to verify extraordinary talents. No reason to have a different verification process for serfs. And maybe there's a reason why a noble would want to falsely claim to have high-level talents in the serfs in their territory anyway.
So everyone is in super cautious mode, do not completely trust tools, do not get excited over a bright flash and strange writing, because if you say "it might be a talent", or "she might be sword god" and the rumor mill then exagerates it to "a great talent with flash of light", "certainly a sword god" and it turns out to be less, someone could be scape goat and dead.
Even if a middle man does everything right, other people can exagerate and pass the buck and middle man takes the blame for other peoples gossip.
I think there's value in the public watching the duel and seeing for themselves just how special the Sword Lord class is. People will know they're naming the village after her for a reason.
And that test was completely safe for an actual Sword God. It was clear Karena had a 0% chance of losing.
Nah, the fight was necessary, both in-world and for the audience. It's an extreme reaction from the local authorities to show how extreme her talent is. And it's how the story is contrasting Easy Mode vs Hell Mode. I don't know whether Krena is an isekai player like Allen is, but it's showing what would have happened to Allen if he picked Easy Mode.
Very much enjoying the show. Krena stole the spotlight today, and she's so adorable lol. hopefully we get to see more of allen's summons next week. can't wait!
Allen dropping a lot of complaint is 100% what gmaers would do when finding a bad game. Krena optimism is so cute.
1. I understand not being able to read, but you can tell that there were characters on the talent section. It doesn't take being able to read to spot that.
2. Why the panic for the duel? Sure, fraudulently claiming a talent carries the capital punishment, however nothing implied that the duel itself was *to the death*, right? As long as she passed the assessment it'd have been fine, she didn't necessarily have to win to pass.
They clearly didn't expect her to have the skill she had anyways.
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On another note, is it just me, or it seems that a death flag has been set for the MC's dad? "You always take the most dangerous role" sounds somewhat of a setup.
I mean, people have died boxing before!
Just because "The duel isn't to the death", doesn't mean one can't die!
A sword fight against an experienced knight, ONE missed parry and she could be fatally struck... So to NOT panic, he has to believe she's good enough to parry 100% of his attacks.
>On another note, is it just me, or it seems that a death flag has been set for the MC's dad? "You always take the most dangerous role" sounds somewhat of a setup.
Things are a little to happy, I'm expecting something bad to happen. (I thought the alcohol would be poisoned somehow hah)
I am aware, but I doubt they didn't have some kind of way to prevent it from being lethal.
Executing a 5 years old in the middle of a village isn't smart, even if it were proven that her talent was a lie it'd sour the populace for a long time...
They'd at least need to do a second appraisal to prove the transgression.
> Things are a little to happy, I'm expecting something bad to happen. (I thought the alcohol would be poisoned somehow hah)
Yeah... currently the MC's background doesn't really look congruent with "hell mode".
It's the second episode of an isekai and the MC isn't level 9999 yet, so they're at least trying.
They mostly disregarded it because of his stats. The logic is more or less that whatever his talent is doesn't matter because his stats are absolutely worthless. Even talentless people are expected to have higher stats. And since they can't read it anyway, may as well just call it talentless and move on.
I do agree though that simply having an unreadable talent is really worth further investigation... but oh well.
I am picturing the actual God of creation going "sorry I forgot to implement that feature, I have released the hotfix now xoxo"
The best steelman argument I can come up against me is that the kick likely would have blown up a regular kid.
However they had a breakdown of her stats that were S and As across the board, so he likely measured it with that in mind.
its simplely, just holding a real sword is dangerous for a 5 year hold, practising with real sword is dangerous, that alone justify the father's reaction. Not to mention a duel where accidents can happen.
I don't see why you so shocked by this, you seems to be thinking the father should know the knight is experienced and won't kill her, therefore he should have no problem with his 5 year old daughter take up real sword and swing it?
People were screaming that non-stop last episode and narratively speaking, it’d make sense for some big tragedy to force mc to swap from grinding to fighting and showing off his true powers.
Though it’d be weird if they held off on the big inciting incident til episode 3. That feels like it should’ve happened sooner
1. The appraisal church had no issues with the lower classes getting appraised and even finding great roles. Serfs and commoners are just as worthy as barons or nobles.
2. In that same vein, the knight captain showed a lot of respect to Allen’s dad as a hero of the village, even though he’s a serf. No one even seems to mind that Allen, who (allegedly) has no talent, is dining and interacting with those that do.
3. Rather than attempting to take the “Sword Lord” away from her family immediately, they allowed her to stay with her family until she’s much older.
4. Krena remains one of the best parts of the show. Head empty, sword swinging.
>Krena remains one of the best parts of the show.
Definitely! Her little mannerisms are so cute!
He's going to be a monster when he has combat worthy summons at his disposal and can fight alongside them.
Giving reason to people with amazing talents to hate the current ruling class would be a quick way to stop being the ruling class.
It's far easier to absorb them within the privileged elite to keep the power within them.
That said, it means that the dynamics of aristocracy are far different from the ones we are used to in our world.
Every so often, new noble families are born due to the power of the talent random dice roll. Still, it's unclear how rare it is.
and unless its to make sure she dies early, why bother with this if you captured her unless there is slavery magic or something, which so far seems to have no mention of it
but yeah, it can also just be they out in the boonies, any force sent will have to pass thru the land and be easily found and well defended against if it was another nation
if it was a noble within the nation like another baron, Id imagine that is more politics and since this is all reported already via the baron and all that, likely the "credit" is already given and recorded and it would be far better to NOT piss of the family / local lord by buttering up to her rather than try and kidnap her right.
I was pleasantly surprised that at the end of the episode there wasn't an extra scene showing some obscure noble or lord plotting to do shit.
MC does know that many of the top classes like Sword Lord comes from serfs or commoners too as from baron social classes, maybe because of that there's no real reason to look down on the 'lower class'.
The Captain showing appreciation to Allen's dad is great too, probably also helps that they know that nobles can fake the appraisal lol.
After 2 episodes still no bad people, axe kid is just a wannabe bully lol.
Krena: *\*happy nomming sounds\**
She's the GOAT.
[](#delighted)
[So Krena's a sword lord!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/5d6b045d894f.png)
I don't know how much faith I have into this anime **NOT** making Allen OP as hell in the next couple episodes, but if they do not go this route, it'd actually be interesting, following the friend of the OP character and all!
[It must be so disappointing for Allen's parents...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/f2a2402be4fc.png)
Not because he won't be a hero or something, but more like... They know he'll have a rough, poor life, just like they did.
[](#akkotears)
[Why did I think it was poisoned somehow hah.](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/0d56dd8036a6.png)
[](#spooked)
I guess [everything's a little too happy (despite him not being recognized with a talent), I keep expecting something wrong to happen!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/f51109ffff0a.png)
Ok, sorry, Swordmaster Gramps, [but this is just plain ridiculous!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/53c39f301e30.png)
Unless there's some ability we don't know about, Sword Lords aren't invincible... They could've killed her right there, and what if she was fated to kill the Demon Lord or something?
[](#flustered)
They explained why they did it, [some people lied about their talent before, ](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/cf2825b8d90a.png)
but that doesn't justify endangering a Sword Lord like that... (One might make a point that even if they lied this still doesn't justify murdering a child over it, but even if they don't care about that, they're endangering a future hero!)
Why not test her skills with wooden swords? Why not just re-appraise her to make sure?
This was even more puzzling due to that scene at the end, showing the old knight respected Allen's father (a serf) as a great boar hunter and all!
That's the kind of scene they put in to show "See, he's not an asshole", but then why did they have him act as an irresponsible asshole early on hah.
Anyway, so far it's still fun! I wasn't relaly expecting to keep up with this one, but I guess we'll keep going until something makes me change my mind!
(I kinda fear that if (when) Allen becomes OP that might be it... But we'll see!)
Also, I guess it would've been a different kind of story, but I kinda wished for Allen's talent to show up, only they would see it's a really weak talent... So they could've been together adventuring and all, just with her as the hero and him as the support guy, slowly learning/improving!
It was a bit surprising to see the church people be so earnest about testing everybody fairly, it felt like the other shoe was finally falling when the knights showed up to administer that test. But no, there really have been people cheating at the appraisals so verifying the outstanding talents is apparently needed.
Shame about Allen not getting a real appraisal result, though maybe that's better since it'll allow him to fly under the radar for longer.
Two separate childhood friend couples in the same show, I don't know if that means Krena will eventually win too or if she'll break the tradition after just one generation.
They're all gonna die aren't they?
And you'd be right. I think this part might have been glossed over a little too much for some folks, but really the main catch of Hell Mode in this series is just that it's a grind fest deluxe.
When I think 'hellmode' I was expecting more along the lines of 'So I'm a Spider, so what?' where there's hostile enemies everywhere even even eating many of them is harmful as they're toxic.
Sure he's poor, but he's in a loving family and isn't currently facing any difficulties outside of his own interests in wanting to grind experience. This hellmode is pretty easy going, say compared to Ivy as the weakest tamer where her own family wanted to kill her for not getting a good skill.
This is something the anime has skipped over entirely, but the MC starting out as a serf is actually the result of his class choice, not the difficulty mode. The more stars your class has, the more of a pleb you'll be at the start.
As I explained in another post, but difficulty mode does have some other effects, namely the number of Extra skills you start with (for Allen, 0) and how high your power ceiling is. Still though, those things all kind of pale in the face of 100x increased XP requirements, a number which I'm not really sure whether the author really grasps.
And the implication is that in return for a more difficult grind, he'll get better rewards in the long run.
Yes he consistently loses, but he has an E for defenses, and she has an S for attack, she should trivially wipe him even while sandbagging.
Could it be that while his stats appear as "E" they're actually not? Like his 1/100 xp "debuff" being nominal, but his stats are actually higher in absolute terms?
If they were just potential, then Krena wouldn't have been able to kick that knight's ass.
But the kids are also completely untrained, so there's room to grow in that regard.
It's your typical Japanese story. "I'm so special and awesome."
It'd be weird if things WERE consistent.
Talent: Missingno
Summoner talent doesn’t exist in this game ( yet)
You can get SUMMONER/H? out of RU?NEMOM/SH
SUMMONER/H? = SUMMONER/HELLMODE?
Why the question mark lmao?
*\*episode ends\**
Oh no.
P.S: The audio mixing was terrible, what is this, *Tenet*? When Zenof is talking at the table he is murmuring while the BGM is at full volume!
Also, if Allen has no talent, is no one gonna question why the appraisal orb reacted so strongly when it was evaluating him?
I’m guessing the knights/kingdom is definitely not going to be good at all giving how they were ready to execute krena on the spot and the vice captain kicked her so hard she broke the wall. I don’t care what his excuse was. They could have gone and had her tested again.
I don’t think I would have been as forgiving as her dad was. I definitely would not be joining them after that.
MC dad so famous because the baron enjoys the boar meat he sends yet they’re still basically poor as dirt it looks like?
Yeah this country / kingdom already seems kinda shit.
However, the execution in episode (2) is just bad. I sincerely hate when they have their audio tracks backwards for balancing which only ever seems to happen on these low budget anime's.
Episode 2 has "Music" set super high volume while dialogue is super low volume. It makes the episode annoying at best to watch. It should be entirely the opposite. The music is supposed to "Supplement" the anime while the dialogue is the focus.
This is true for TV, Movies, & Anime.