Trigun Stargaze - Episode 2 discussion

*Trigun Stargaze*, episode 2

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clearsama2152026-01-17 16:47

Not the scene where Wolfwood gets run over, again xD

onitsuki282026-01-17 16:53

It's great to see the consequences of a hero's good actions.

PaTXiNaKI2026-01-17 21:36

It trully is

LeonKevlar2026-01-17 17:00

I really thought we were gonna get an explanation this week as to why the kid at the end of Episode 12 was replaced with Hoppered the Gauntlet, but I guess they just retconned it. [This guy is definitely different from what I remember from the OG anime, tho.](https://i.imgur.com/FTp66Ba.jpeg)

[Look at how excited Meryl looks after hearing that Vash might be alive.](https://i.imgur.com/aNEMXz4.jpeg) And poor Wolfwood! [Watching him get yeeted after getting run over](https://i.imgur.com/2eoJkW1.jpeg) was pretty hilarious. Not the lighthearted scene I expected after we just watched [Hoppered force Vash to kill him](https://i.imgur.com/5Q2sIag.jpeg) as revenge.

flashmozzg2026-01-17 17:19

> This guy is definitely different from what I remember from the OG anime, tho.

IIUC, it's now much closer to the source, both in design and backstory (although still different).

darthvall2026-01-17 17:34

Interesting that it's an actual rectcon (unless next episode they suddenly reveal that it's co-parenting with Hoppered lol). Hopefully some of the staff confirmed about it.

While it's quite minor, it does make me wonder about the production timing and planning

higachugunnzbabyface2026-01-17 17:46

I think the kid from stampede episode 12, is supposed to be Lina from her design.

Since Eriks still have not gotten his haircut. I think Lina will return. I do think they will not retcon her scene from stampede episode 12, since they basically made the entire 3d model for Lina's character so I doubt that they will just scrap her.
Since even Stargaze still use 2d animation for background characters that will not be so important in the story.

CrimsonGear802026-01-17 17:03

aw yes, it truly isn't Trigun until we see Wolfwood being smoked by an automobile!

RimeSkeem2026-01-17 22:57

RIP Wolfwood, we hardly knew ye.

FriedRiceistheBest2026-01-19 08:33

All that space on the desert and still got hit.

djthomp2026-01-17 17:04

It's nice to see Brad again after all this time.

Man, what a sad explanation for the Eriks name. Hoppered is really quite a tragic figure.

Poor Wolfwood.

TheGhoul43002026-01-18 04:23

I still didn't quite understood the reason why Hoppered picked the name Erkis. Hope you don't mind explaining it to me.

djthomp2026-01-18 04:31

As he was dying and the blind woman he was taking care of showed up in spirit he appeared to call her Eriks, I'm assuming it was her name all along.

Reemys2026-01-18 16:22

Yes, there was a parallel as to how he cared for her, a woman he called Eriks, and Vash during the past years.

MADNESS-NH_972026-01-17 17:26

The blatant continuity error regarding Lina & Vash's prosthetic arm(which only got more glaring by this episode showing us a flashback where Vash clearly had lost it) aside, this was another great episode. Just like in Trigun Stampede with Monev the Gale, I really enjoyed them adding more depth to the relationship Vash & Hoppered had.

higachugunnzbabyface2026-01-17 17:50

They made Lina's 3d model, I do think they will bring that character back to give Vash's haircut and explain why her character is not with Eriks at the start of Stargaze.

Eriks' hair at the end of the stampede was still way shorter than in Stargaze. So it could still be possible that Lina was taking care of Eriks with Hoppered at some point until Lina needed to move to another location.

I think Studio Orange would not want another drama about as they already are having a harsh OG comparison with their own adaptation. A good obvious retcon from their side is not a good look.

Reemys2026-01-18 16:34

Considering they have the blessing of Nightow, I would personally prefer if they execute their vision and "perfect" the series if/when possible rather than be worrying about hardcore fans who might want to see the same thing with only reasoning being nostalgia.

higachugunnzbabyface2026-01-19 12:22

Which is why the Lina situation should be addressed in Stargaze. Since again it's the anime that put her in Season 1 then suddenly she is nowhere to be seen.

Like why not just put Hoppered at the last season of Stampede instead of Lina and show Eriks missing the metal arm.

Then Comes stargazer where his metal arm is a key to finding Eriks and Hoppered replaced Lina.

So if the anime won't clarify or address this. The. It will become an inconsistency that the anime created on its own. And we can't blame fans or nostalgia if people point it out because it would be an objective narrative inconsistency.

Reemys2026-01-19 12:51

Of course, if she never appears again, it would be questionable. But this is the second episode of a whole season and I am assured whatever they had in mind they will deliver flawlessly.

darthvall2026-01-17 17:27

Is that Legato as the pied piper in the spaceship? Honestly, that silhouette scene is creepy.

Odd-Investigator65032026-01-17 21:26

If he’s got a waist as small as your calf it’s probably him lol

BLACKOUT-MK22026-01-18 00:35

Being a creepy-ass mf'er is basically the only job experience Legato has on his résumé.

Odd-Investigator65032026-01-18 03:27

In 98 and the manga (for the most part) he was also insanely badass

chum-guzzling-shark2026-01-17 17:39

I watched trigun when it was still new so I can't remember most details. This seems like very basic anime and I hate the animation. I also can't tell if it's just bad storytelling or the show expects viewers to have lots of prior knowledge

MumrikDK2026-01-17 17:42

> I also can't tell if it's just bad storytelling or the show expects viewers to have lots of prior knowledge

Maybe you didn't watch the '23 show it follows up from?

https://myanimelist.net/anime/52093/Trigun_Stampede

Muffin-zetta2026-01-17 18:37

That’s just a bad take and you should be embarrassed

Reemys2026-01-18 16:36

Hear, hear!

Should be the local motto.

Kirbyundertale2026-01-17 17:51

went from tearing up to almost choking cuz of that ending LMFAO

FriedRiceistheBest2026-01-19 08:34

You're laughing. Wolfwood got hit by a vehicle and you're laughing.

Kirbyundertale2026-01-19 09:45

funniest shit I have ever seen, his VA screamed like his life was on the line

NanDemoKnaives2026-01-17 18:00

That was heavy, it was sad to learn who Eriks was to Hoppered and how Vash was connected to him. Hoppered knew that his death would weigh heavily on Vash so I guess he did get some kind of revenge.

Nice to see Wolfwood already making an appearance! Quite the comedic one lol.

I like how Jessica didn't want head pats from Brad because it'd mess with her hair lol.

Atario2026-01-18 04:35

Aren't cornrows fairly impervious to being messed with?

[](#sakurathink)

Reemys2026-01-18 16:23

That's what I thought about when looking at it even though I've never seen them close-by in "real" life. But from a structural standpoint, the worst that could happen is a few strands getting loose.

SmartnSad2026-01-17 18:06

Did anyone else have a glitching intro? Lots of still frames, but audio was fine. I streamed it on Crunchyroll.

darkwingchao2026-01-17 20:34

I think they changed it. I was super confused too.

LuRo3322026-01-20 16:40

Turns out Crunchyroll has the work in progress version of this episode for some reason. Other sources have the finished one so no idea what went wrong there.

mekerpan2026-01-17 18:16

Almost no one here seems to be following this. Too bad. I suspect it will (in terms of merit) be one of the top shows of this season.

Hoppered seems to have had quite a few conflicting motivations. A sad story any way you look at it.

If Vash had not done what he did, I assume the scale of the disaster would have been far greater than it was. Does no one else seem to recognize this?

flashmozzg2026-01-17 18:31

> I suspect it will (in terms of merit) be one of the top shows of this season.

Nah. It might've been true any other year (other than maybe 20/21), but the current season is absolutely stacked.

hadrijana2026-01-17 19:58

>If Vash had not done what he did, I assume the scale of the disaster would have been far greater than it was. Does no one else seem to recognize this?

Isn't that the story of Vash's life, though?

mekerpan2026-01-17 20:02

Alas....

CommanderZx22026-01-17 20:10

It doesn't help that Crunchyroll doesn't appear to be properly promoting it. This anime does not even appear on their simulcast page for the Winter 2026 season.

[https://www.crunchyroll.com/simulcasts/seasons/winter-2026](https://www.crunchyroll.com/simulcasts/seasons/winter-2026)

mekerpan2026-01-17 20:12

Astonishing!

Consistent_One17102026-01-17 22:57

It shows on the simulcast category on my TV /shrug. That's how I found out about it.

CommanderZx22026-01-17 23:54

It's not there on the website nor the Android app.

Consistent_One17102026-01-21 07:53

Don't know what to tell ya bud

doomdog912026-01-20 12:46

I only found out it release because I saw someone else talking about it Inna discussion about odeo 😅

mmcjawa_reborn2026-01-17 21:07

Well, barely anyone knows the circumstances of the attack, and even if they did, if you had a loved one in the city, I doubt you would have cared...

Odd-Investigator65032026-01-17 21:25

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CrimsonGear802026-01-17 21:43

Popular enough for a second season…

GyroGOGOZeppeli2026-01-19 09:30

I mean, it was gonna get that either way considering they teased it having a follow up, and even then its not like they plan on milking this series since this is marketed as the final season. Either that was always the plan or they made just enough to pull off another season while not pushing their luck.

Herbertand32026-01-18 01:59

I hadn't even heard about it until stumbling upon this thread.

Maybe_this_time_fr2026-01-18 06:57

> If Vash had not done what he did, I assume the scale of the disaster would have been far greater than it was. Does no one else seem to recognize this?

Why would Hoppered care? His girl's dead.

Waylornic2026-01-18 06:58

Too many of the old guard got sticks up their asses about refusing the remake. It is what it is.

I for one am loving this reinterpretation.

tehdannydarko2026-01-18 08:29

I will always love the 1998 anime more because it's nostalgic for me, but I acknowledge the merit of this version too and it doesn't erase what I loved previously.

Waylornic2026-01-18 08:39

Exactly! I watched it when it came out in ‘98 and still love it.

It’s like, there’s 4 versions of Tenchi Muyo, there’s at least 2 versions of El Hazard, 2 versions of Utena, 2 versions of Escaflowne, 2 versions of X, etc etc so on and so forth. They all have their charms and merit. The existence of the others doesn’t destroy the fun of the originals.

At what point did people start tossing remakes to the curb instead of embracing and enjoying the new retelling?

kwokinator2026-01-19 05:32

The Urusei Yatsura and Ranma remakes did fine here, I think

I think it's more because so many people have a hate boner for anything CG, even though Orange Studio is hands down the best in the industry at it. There's some legit very cool scenes even in this episode that would either not possible or a royal pain to animate by hand.

RoseSpinoza2026-01-21 20:33

Part of it, I think, for this show in particular, is probably because the screenshots/stills always look a little.... off. somehow.

BUT IN MOTION IT IS SO GOOD. SO GOOD!

Reemys2026-01-18 16:25

Merit, alas, is not a virtue around these parts, around the global Japanese animation community. There is too much discussion to be had and it's hard for people (although they still manage alright) to comment in here with one-liners. As with every particle in this universe, a common viewer will, too, converge to the point of the least resistance, when their whole input would take no longer than 41 characters.

On the other point: I think many seem to recognise this, or at least Hoppered did, to an extent. Vash did say that Hoppered could have finished him off anytime, but he didn't. Why? Was it just his obsession with Eriks and having someone to care for, despite being a crippled "monster"? Or was it that Hoppered never truly blamed Vash, or, at least, came to understand that his actions were as justified as morally possible? The depiction is extremely rapid on all of this, but both Vash and Hoppered snap out of their little houseplay almost immediately. It's not that they were not aware, it's that they, maybe, had no reason to truly "act". With Vash needed by someone again, Hoppered decided it was time.

mekerpan2026-01-18 16:31

Thank you for your perspective.

timschwartz2026-01-24 07:11

I think Hoppered just wanted to make sure Vash was fully conscious so that he could properly suffer for killing Eriks.

GyroGOGOZeppeli2026-01-19 09:28

I mean yeah, they saved the world, but at the cost of a city with tons of people.

You can argue the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few but those were still innocents that perished in Julai, you can't fault the ones affected if they have beef with Vash.

mekerpan2026-01-19 21:29

But the aggrieved would also be dead if Vash had not intervened...

FarCritical2026-01-17 18:19

Well that was a heavy way to illustrate how much of a typhoon Vash truly is. At least the big guy doesn't have to struggle so much just to breathe anymore.

Wolfwood with the top tier groan though lol

Muffin-zetta2026-01-17 18:21

Yeah that was incredible

Calm_Client22026-01-17 18:28

What a good episode. Rip to Hoppard and Eriks. Vash questioning if the world would be better off without him is rough but makes sense after all that’s happened.

draxdeveloper2026-01-23 19:12

and the answer is no, if he didn't exist but Knives still exist the world would be fucked (because, you know, I don't doubt he would kill the other humans that would find the planet later)

Queue_Jumping_Quack2026-01-17 18:49

This second part is reminding me of the 2nd season of Vinland Saga, in comparison how much more slow paced and deliberate it is and with the protagonist broken from his experiences. But I'm really liking it. I think I just about remember this storyline from the original anime, but not the details or the characters.

Poor Hoppered... what happened to the woman he took care of? Probably dead...

And oh boy what an end to the episode lol. Good episode!

mmcjawa_reborn2026-01-17 21:24

She was in the city when Vash accidentally blew up...hence why Hoppered wanted to fight him then spared him so he can suffer longer.

Queue_Jumping_Quack2026-01-17 21:48

Ah! Thanks for clarifying, I somehow missed that. Yikes, makes it all the more tragic then.

NeverStrayFromTheWay2026-01-18 02:27

Except Vinland Saga was well-animated.

Janitalia2026-01-17 19:51

I cried this entire episode. Man hoppered was the goat

darkwingchao2026-01-17 20:37

The most heartereching scene so far immediately followed up by how fucking funny the episode ends. They get Trigun.

Odd-Investigator65032026-01-17 21:27

Why do all the character models look like porcelain dolls

mmcjawa_reborn2026-01-17 21:27

Damn that episode hit the feels...

Wonder if Vash will get to meet up with Meryl and crew before he goes to rescue the ship. Should be interesting seeing Vash goes up against things that aren't alive and which he can freely shoot.

KrzyDankus2026-01-17 21:28

poor wolfwood lmao

RyuzakiPL2026-01-17 22:06

I don't remember the old Trigun show and I haven't read the manga but the climate of this season is definitely not what I was expecting. I'm here for it. Criminally underrated show.

CreamerCrusty2026-01-18 01:40

I... don't know what Stargaze is trying to do. 2 episodes in and it feels like a mess.

Stampede knows what they want to be from the get go. You can tell what you can expect from episode 1. Stargaze feels like they are picking up scraps and go with whatever they have.

I wish they didn't have directorial changes.

Also, can I just say, the camera work is sloppy. So many useless camera movement. It's not on the level of shaky cam or Kara no Kyoukai crazy camera work. But for Orange Studio, this is below their standard imo.

higachugunnzbabyface2026-01-18 03:50

Don't know what they are trying to do???
If you have knowledge on Maximum. Then you can easily tell what they are going for storywise isn't it?

They also immediately pick up production when the lasts Eason was aired since a full cgi production goes more different than a usual anime production especially with studio orange. That is also why they were able to get voicelines from Zazie's VA in the first episode before her passing.

And I don't get camera work issues. Since unlike stampede the first 2 episodes scenario's were pretty tame and id not go full bombastic like with Stampede's episode 1 and 2 where you have Vash running around town.
Meanwhile Stargazer's action scenes this far mostly just showcase their body distortion forced perspective tech.

CrimsonGear802026-01-18 10:39

insane, bad take

kerorobot2026-01-18 01:49

Not enough people watching this stuff.

secret_tsukasa2026-01-18 02:07

What an incredible episode, no notes.

solythe2026-01-18 05:08

i totally missed that Hoppered was in the ghg in the original, i confused him for the other guy with the mask.

Now i get who the girl is, after hearing Brad

Hey Vash heres some more trauma

Rem sighting! Cant wait to see that back story, the OG one was batshit with the crew.

My man Wolfwood needs to be reintroduced, might as well hit him with a car

Open_Inspector_78632026-01-18 05:50

What a great episode. Hoppered clinging on to the man responsible for the womans death because the caretaking reminded him of her was so strong.

Couldnt have hoped for a better start really. Stargaze already established all consequences of the previous season and opened up more than one conflict for this one on top of introducing new characters.

Wolf had me dying in the end. Hoppered and Eriks deserved better.

Atario2026-01-18 06:21

I thought these sequences from the opening deserved stitches: [first](https://files.catbox.moe/3sggr0.jpg), [second](https://files.catbox.moe/07i9do.jpg) [](#neat)

A good old-fashioned Charlie-Brown-style [POW!](https://files.catbox.moe/s4v2z5.jpg) [](#azusalaugh)

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ghost_in_the_potato2026-01-19 12:33

I don't generally like it, but Studio Orange has the golden touch and they are killing it with Trigun.

TroupeMaster2026-01-20 13:26

When done well 3DCG in anime is just as good as all but the very best 2D. The problem is that its often poorly integrated into otherwise 2D productions and Orange is basically the only studio that produces high quality full 3DCG anime regularly - their work on Stampede is fantastic and the rest of their portfolio is great too. Shirogumi's work on the Idolmaster Million Live anime is another good example but they don't regularly do TV anime.

Reemys2026-01-18 16:22

It's a big shame they just finished Hoppered off like that... again, I guess, like in the original. Though here I have a feeling they gave him way more dignity than he ever had in the previous adaptations.

I am still not happy how they handled the detective guy from the 1st season, whose name itself I cannot remember anymore. They just finished him off, seemingly like Hoppered here, without giving him a truly big moment to shine. So, I thought, maybe THIS time they will go far beyond the expectations and in this re-imagination give Hoppered, this tragic guy I saw for the first time in the previous episode, a bigger role. But not. I get it, but I believe there is a lost, wasted potential there, still...

Who knows, maybe through a miracle they will unearth him and put him into a big exosuit. And that's when he shines. I wouldn't bet on it, of course. Otherwise, it's very much to the point and a great continuation in terms of themes and execution, the first ever full-CGI series I am proud to like. Can't wait to know more about what will the problem be with the colonisation fleet...

GrimMind2026-01-18 20:57

I love this show and will always be irritated by how underrated it is.

ExiledSenpai2026-01-19 02:56

If you don't want the gun to fire, why not use your other hand to impede the hammer?

Jwanito2026-01-20 04:49

yeah, the kill felt avoidable to me

Pikachu87522026-01-19 07:49

Man, Wolfwood made me burst out laughing 😂.

He's literally a magnet for bad news.

FriedRiceistheBest2026-01-19 08:34

Vash went to similar phase like Thorfinn.

GyroGOGOZeppeli2026-01-19 09:26

The super big guys in this show always get such sad emotional endings.

Rolo/Monev the Gale in S1, and now Hoppered the Gauntlet.

AashyLarry2026-01-19 21:55

Amazing episode wow. The pacing of season 2 feels a lot smoother than season 1.

Loving it so far.

Jwanito2026-01-20 04:45

i feel vash's first kill here is a bit wasted, he should've known hoppers' empty threat was an attempt to get him going again

and im not really sold on this new little girl, felt kinda weird when she was crying for vash and we saw her for like 30 seconds, i didnt feel anything

draxdeveloper2026-01-23 19:15

But Vash didn't wanted to kill him, Hoppered pull the trigger with Vash hand

draxdeveloper2026-01-23 19:19

I am confused how Jessica knows Vash, I mean... Ok, they are the crew in the space station where Vash grew and they were frozen until now, right? But when the crash happened Vash was a kid,right? (or I am misremembering it?)