Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu. • Shiboyugi: Playing Death Games to Put Food on the Table - Episode 3 discussion
*Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu.*, episode 3
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Retrieving her might be cus the other 2 died and she doesn’t want to vote 50/50 so roping in a third player, and with her current standing, means she’s basically guaranteed to survive. Tbh I really wanna see the yellow hair girl as a recurring villain/rival character so it would be interesting if they both turn on the legless girl - but that seems like unneeded risk and purely a direction im interested in
Absolute art
She did say she wanted to score some points for being likable, but to be honest, the way Mishiro acted, I think this WOULD make her more likable to viewers!
(That's me; I'm viewers)
Yuki's never been seen to be proud or malicious. Instead, the whole framing of that final scene seems to match Kazumi's downward spiral far better.
She looks to be some type of narcissist that went so far as to 'break' her own twin sister to stay on top. When confronted with failure, she was quick to blame Yuki for "stealing her thunder" instead of her own ego for being too intimidated by Yuki to accept her help.
That matches the line about how "there have always been people above you, and you've broken every single one of them."
She attacked Yuki not because Yuki was wrong, or even because Yuki was a threat to the group but because Yuki was a threat to Mishiro's *control* of the group.
That's why Mishiro felt 'trapped' into making a fatal mistake. If she followed Yuki's final advice, it would be tacitly admitting to the group that Yuki was right, and in tandem with that, Mishiro was wrong to chase Yuki away.
So doing the "right thing" would mean lowering her standing with the group.
And Mishiro would rather get everyone killed than give up power.
Yuki has never cared about pecking order, but it's Mishiro's #1 priority. That's why that final scene feels more like a hallucination of Mishiro's than Yuki actually returning. Being forced to admit she was wrong is Mishiro's biggest fear, but to Yuki, Mishiro is nothing.
Because I really don't see how this helps Yuki in future games. "Breaking" Mishiro's pride is more likely to create a life-long enemy. Leaving her to die would be a calculated move no one would blame her for. Mishiro is a toxic player that attacks other players that threaten her control of the group and makes decisions based on pride and pecking order over group survival.
She's a liability that can't be won over, and she especially can't be won over with these types of petty tactics. Even if Yuki saves Mishiro *without* gloating, she would likely hold a grudge over her loss of face/wounded pride.
So if anything, Yuki just leaves her be. Barring that, Yuki saves her without rubbing Mishiro's face in shit. Gloating accomplishes nothing except solidifying a grudge.
TL:DR Gloating here isn't a calculated move Yuki would make, but it does hit Mishiro in her weakest point. It's likely part of her doom spiral/hallucination
I hypothesise that the game algorithm favours altruistic acts. Hence Kotoha's, "So you have noticed it too?" when Yuki came back for her.
I think the admins of the game don't just setup the traps and send the girls inside. I think they can manipulate the traps as well and choose when to release them or withhold them, and the more you are favoured, the better your chances of surviving, because the admins will want you to survive when you're the majority's favorite.
I also noticed that because of the way the death game is played, with no fatal injury other than decapitation and/or a knife straight into the heart, your optimal strategy is actually keeping everyone alive no matter what, especially so for first time players and noobs, because if they win their first game, that means they're alive to play a second game and get overconfident and think they can survive a second time.
This is better for Yuki as a long-time player, this means she has a higher chance of encountering friends in future games who will follow her lead.
I don't think the Yuki we're seeing is an illusion. I think it's the actual Yuki and what she's doing right now, gloating over her, isn't out of character at all.
I think it's a calculated gamble to make friends with Mishiro, at least from Yuki's perspective.
See, if Mishiro can admit that she was wrong to survive, this would tell Yuki that Mishiro's narcissistic tendencies aren't ironclad, and can be bent and flexible. She can see reason when she needs to see reason. This would make her worth saving in Yuki's eyes, because that means an extra possible ally that, even if it's one who hates her, can still cooperate to live.
If Mishiro refuses to admit that she's wrong, Yuki leaves her to die and that's no skin off her back.
And there's also no way Yuki told the surviving group that she's going back to gloat over Mishiro, it could've been something like, "I'm going back to try and save her!" And if Mishiro doesn't want to be saved, she can be like, "When I came back she was already dead :("
I think these two 100% fit the "Boss vs Leader" meme thing;
Yuki's a good leader because she knows what needs to be done and does it.
Mishiro doesn't know shit and just commands people to do what she wants.
That's why she spent the entire last episode aggro'ed onto Yuki. Not because Yuki was putting the group at risk with her "lies for attention," but because Mishiro felt her control of the group threatened by Yuki's experience.
And that's why Mishiro made that fatal mistake that lost her an arm and her lackeys. If she admitted that Yuki's advice was right, then she would be tacitly admitting it was wrong to chase Yuki away. It would also mean she isn't as great of a 'leader' as she pretended to be.
Hence why she said "if only that liar kept her mouth shut! I could have said the advice instead, but since she stole my thunder, I couldn't do the right thing without losing face!"
Or in other words, she's rather put the entire group at risk than admit her rival was right. Because her 'survival strategy' is to seize full control of the group so she can choose who is sacrificed. If her control of the group is threatened, then she risks being the one thrown under the bus.
But if she breaks her rivals, she can ensure her head is last on the chopping block. It's never been about 'group survival' half so much as 'gas light the others into dying for me.'
So yeah, "boss vs leader."
[](#evilgrin)
It introduces them a lot faster too! (and erm, *de-introduces* them)
[](#spooked)
I imagine if they cast a bunch of low-profile VA they can use them each for many girls!
[](#needit)
Yuki backpacking a leg less girl yet again. Hopefully Kotoha doesn’t get her skull crushed like Kinko.
We got a real enemy this time. I thought it would be some mad man with a chainsaw given the setting but it’s a wolf. I was looking forward to see Yuki fight the wolf since the promotion materials portray her to be like a skilled assassin but uhhh he just runs off with Mishiro’s arm? Kind of anticlimactic.
Okay Mishiro isn’t dead but that is some f***ed up back story of murdering her twin sister. I thought she was gonna kill herself when she grabbed the knife but that would be too anticlimactic. Then Yuki comes not to rescue her but to spite her and demand an apology.
There is a chance they may all come out alive but the plot twist always has to happen before the exit.
The character faces are gorgeous when zoomed in, especially Mishiro’s. Good job on the art work.
I find it interesting that they showed quite clearly one of the interesting properties of such rugs: being made of wool, they are much more fire resistant than most other materials.
There're several variations how to write this name, but the obvious one + Japanese subtitres provided [一美](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/一美), whichʼs lit. *one* / *the first* + *beauty*.
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But would it still be possible to repair if the entire arm was shredded? Surely there's northing left to stitch back together at that point...
If it's even earlier in the timeline, I imagine YUKI herself was 'less refined'...
She might have fucked it up badly in the past, before becoming the pro she is now.
I **SO** want to see her first game!
[](#needit)
Also, with her "taking a break to reevaluate how she lives her life", she might have done something to justify this change of perspective and all...
Did she simply 'fuck it up', or did she 'fuck someone up'?
[](#panic)
(Well, 18 games later she had no issue straight up murdering Kinko simply because she was closer and someone needed to die, so it must have been quite something back then!)
I personally was caught off guard by Yuki being so petty like that. I don't like that kind of thing in a person. But it does a great job at humanizing Yuki. Looking forward to seeing more of her personality slowly unfold.
Honestly, I don't think it's that simple. Yuki mentioned that the whole point of the game is a popularity contest/vote. Why would she throw away potential popularity votes by acting this way? It seems more that this is a way for Mishiro to earn back some popularity votes by giving her a chance at showing humility without outright telling her. If Mishiro is able to overcome her own pride and apologize, she might make it through. If not, then she will face the consequences at the end of the game. Because this goes further than just an apology. If Mishiro thinks for a moment that she can outsmart Yuki here by pretending to apologize and then betraying her again once they reach the exit, then she will probably not make it through.
Well, she endangered the group by the way she acted (and even let them rot), if all she has to suffer is a bit of pettiness (and getting chomped a little by a wolf) I say she's getting off easy!
Plus, with what we know (she didn't do the right thing simply to avoid giving Yuki 'a win' and risk losing control/leadership), she deserves every bit of it!
This show continues to impress. The atmosphere it creates is so perfect and that sound design is simply stunning.
I still get thrown off by the lack of details in the character designs in long shots but it makes sense. Those scenes are supposed to be us viewing them as the audience of this game through the cameras. And the audience doesn't see them as people so neither can we.
That same audience perspective keeps us from being able to really connect with any of the characters which makes it hard for me to find an emotional core. Thus this won't ever be a show I call my favourite, but I still acknowledge the artistry on display here. And I'll keep watching too.
I also think there's no real emotional connection here because we see the characters for such a short time and Yuuki isn't exactly 100% likeable, but there's definitely way more to her - I'm so curious about her! The mystery surrounding everything is so good and the atmosphere too like you mentioned
Hard not impossible.
Or try to, at least...
*And I think Yuki might know she will*
Death Game Day 💃🏾
Oh she’s pretty, Miss Green Hair Green Eyes.
Oh they know each other.
*OH* it’s her!
Alexa, play Déjà Ju by Beyoncé.
…what the fuck is that.
*ooooooohkaaaaaaay* that was… **Damn**.
***
I gasped at the end. Dayum, Yuki, I was familiar with your game but not *this* game.
I still love that the EN VA for Yuki is also Lena (which makes today 86 day since Shin’s seiyuu is Ouri in *Tamon’s B-Side*)). Her voice at the end reminded me of [86] >!Lena outside of Annette’s house when Annette accuses her of being the devil!<.
I’m confused we didn’t see anything about the girl in the cold opening, but I’ll take that as setting her up for next week.
Revenge is best served cold 🪭
But the bits about Candle Woods and how the world seems to be descending into something nasty ( i mean they're running death games, so should not come as a big surprise)
Guessing we'll get an episode on Candle Woods. Perhaps at the end of the season. Sounds like quite the err.. "event"
And the ending of the episode was diabolical. Can't wait for next week.
I honestly thought that Mishiro fell and triggered the landmine that I saw in a shot when the girls were in the distance as the wolf appeared. Getting her arm ripped off and Yuuki finding was a much better result
Dang, Mishiro’s yelling during the episode and her backstory.
If that was really Yuki and not a distress induced hallucination, I hope she can swallow her pride and apologize.
Now I can't help but wonder whether Yuki would have gone to save any of the other girls if it was not Kotoha who got hurt by the landmine in the previous episode.
During their introduction:
Mishiro - declared herself to have strong leadership
Kotoha - she said she could support others from an intellectual perspective in a low confidence manner
Chie - Jack of all trades, master of none
Keito - sizing up which players are likely to win
I guess Chie and Keito being fickle in abandoning Mishiro wasn't unexpected.
I also loved how Yuki found Mishiro only to make her to apologize for what Mishiro did to her earlier. I can't wait to see how this situation between Yuki and Mishiro will end.
By the way, if the wolf really did show up, does that mean the other animals from the board (plus the ghost) are in the building too?
Overall, another amazing episode. I definitely can't wait to see what happens next for Yuki and others.
I'll later update this comment with my screenshot albums from the episode.
Also using a wolf is a surprising tool for a death game because they are harder for the game master to control. But it also very much feels like the early games are less refined than game 28 was. Plus we now know how much word spreads about at least some of the games since the green haired girl heard about Candle Woods, so at least truly crazy ones get around. I'm curious if it was another case of ensured death like game 28, perhaps even the first such case with how infamous it has gotten.
Furthermore, I feel people are a bit too quick to judge Yuki's last action as just her being petty or wanting to get some form of revenge. Yuki was shown to be someone that wants to get most people through the games, no matter who they are. Granted, this game plays before the first episode, but I doubt they were changing up her character that much in between these episodes. And considering she mentioned that the main point of the game is some form of popularity contest, it seems more likely that Yuki tries to give Mishiro a final way to get out of the game. After all, if it is truly a popularity contest, Yuki showing to be petty would be a bad move from her side.
Point being that Mishiro has two options now: Apologize which would raise her standing in the eyes of the viewers or stay combatitive which would probably mean that she won't make it through even if she reaches the exit. Which is also important for Yuki, because she can do this without having to fear another betrayal. If Mishiro betrays her again after acting like she apologized, it would only raise Yuki's standing once more in the eyes of the viewers. So with Mishiro not knowing this, she could run into her own doom if she decided to not change given the chance.
Now, all that is fine. But I want to add that I have no idea how Yuki and Kotoha came to the conclusion what the point of the game is. The only thing I can see is the timer. Which I already mentioned last week, was going up a few times here and there. So maybe that is connected, but I don't see the connection yet. Like what is the time truly showing if it is connected to the popularity vote? I don't see how you can gauge each person's standing through it. Similarly, I still have no idea what the animal pictures from last week were supposed to be about. I assume each animal stood for a participant, but not sure what this said outside of it. And lastly, what is the paper for, the characters got? Is it a form of potential communication without the viewers seeing? Or is the other way around? The viewers can see but not hear, so the paper is to tell something to the viewers? But none of that has been used so far.
Would it though? Being humbled and apologizing could satisfy those who enjoy the humiliation and redemption, but acting pathetic and codependent would alienate those who seek the self assured and ingenious. (I assume you meant the in-game viewers, btw) Yuki, though, comes on top whatever the case may be. As you mentioned, she keeps it interesting by asking for an apology, while she appears magnanimous for being willing to help someone who slighted her.
[](#evilgrin)
in the dialogue between Yuki and Kotoha in the beginning of ep3, Yuki says she came back to fetch Kotoha because it's "important be likeable in the games" .. to which Kotoha replies "you noticed too" ..
.. so is that what Yuki meant by understanding this game? if so, how does Yuki going back to belittle Mishiro add to Yuki's likeability?
The importance of being likable, OR the strategy (keeping the flashlights off).
But assuming it is the likability
>if so, how does Yuki going back to belittle Mishiro add to Yuki's likeability?
I think at this point Yuki presented herself as the hero, and Mishiro as the villain.
So this is like when the shonen MC or the martial art hero says something to the main villain before the fight and all!
And... Yuki's smart/knows people; I think she might be aware that - whatever Mishiro says - she's likely to try something before the end, because she's losing her leadership/control to her...
If she DOES try something, and Yuki takes her down, that's more likability points for her; Not only she tried to rescue her when she had no reason to, but she's also a badass; Not a sheep to be hunted!
This train of thoughts might lead us into "Yuki is a full blown psycho", but... Imagine if she rescued her just so she could kill her in self defense!
[](#spooked)
Seems like the mention of likeability and everyone having those blank slips of paper probably means the final challenge will be some kind of vote on who makes it out.
I made a guess on that in my [other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1qizj0g/comment/o0xz2yl/).
>at the end of ep2, Yuki says "all of you don't understand this game at all" .. did they shed any light on this?
Here's another guess: since prize money is determined by viewers, then you need to make sure you keep the game interesting.
Mishiro abandoned Kotoha because it would be easier and less risky. But that's boring. Maybe that's what Yuuki meant. The viewers would resent Mishiro for it and not bet on her.
uhm... I guess she became more likeable to me? It's all entertainment after all. I don't think viewers are looking for a goody-two-shoes to like, but a good player who plays it real. Mishiro was a horrible leader, Yuki goes back to take her down a notch, everything is back in balance. That's a likeable trait for a game player.
Oh *shit* I never thought of this! It could be because she didn't have the girl on her back and her backpack was on correctly...Yuuki isn't the sheep like she said, she's the wolf!
Also YES I'd love to see this director do a horror anime...it'd be fantastic.
[](#emiliaohdear)
I didn't expect Yuuki to be this savage. I also lowkey expect her to lure Mishiro into a trap instead should she apologize. Hell, at this point I have no idea what is Yuuki up to and I kinda like it.
Yuki might be saving her, just so she can kill her 'in self defense' when Mishiro makes her move.
[](#spooked)
Realizing why I was so hyped for this series
[](#slowgrin)
To what end though? Yuki doesn't seem *that* spiteful, and especially not when it would put herself at risk.
Eg. It doesn't seem like she's playing for maximizing profits (given her apartment and having a game number goal rather than a savings goal) and being liked more only seems to help you get a bigger prize. The games don't make it any easier on you for being popular, so why would she pick up kotoha?
My guess about her plans for mishiro is that this is a test. She's testing if mishiro can overcome her complex, apologize, and be trusted not to fuck up their escape. Possibly even be useful in any future games they end up in together. If mishiro apologizes and agrees to follow her lead, she can make sure she's not in a position to back stab her while guiding them both to safety. If mishiro refuses to apologize and refuses to follow her instructions, she'll probably get violent and yuki isn't the one missing an arm. Best case they both get out alive, yuki doesn't have to have her death on her conscience, and if they meet in future games they might be able to work smoothly together. Worst case, yuki kills her right now with an easy moral justification and her body keeps the wolf occupied. It's a middle ground between her deeply repressed but still active instinctual morals and her conscious tactical mind. And of course deep down it also probably feels good to see mishiro get off her high horse, even if she's not so sadistic she'd take pleasure in \*killing\* her, everyone would enjoy someone who was so nasty to them apologizing while at such a low point.
[I am surprised that Kotoha only got her legs blown off.](https://i.imgur.com/nGEQtHr.jpeg) When we saw her last week, I thought more than that was affected. If she manages to survive, I wonder if the people running the game can repair her legs? Speaking of legs, [that joke from Yuuki caught me off guard.](https://i.imgur.com/0VZrKzs.jpeg) WTF.
[Candle Woods?](https://i.imgur.com/ahZUog2.jpeg) I feel like that's the first named thing we got in this show outside the names of the characters. So it sounds like Candle Game is a terrible game that Yuuki took part in before? So you're telling me this death game they're playing right now is actually the improved version? O_O
[Honestly, I get Kotoha's reason for playing.](https://i.imgur.com/2hT59aZ.jpeg) Just earning lots of cash quickly and moving to a country with a low cost of living seems to be what a lot of people are doing these days.
[Welp, I definitely did not have hungry wolf in my bingo card today.](https://i.imgur.com/TPsfR3l.jpeg) That explains why there haven't been any landmine traps lately. The organizers probably figured that the wolf would just step on it accidentally and make the entire wolf surprise pointless.
Not gonna lie, [I thought we'd get an action scene](https://i.imgur.com/fFeKVbS.jpeg) there for a second. Yuuki seems to be ready to throw down with that wolf. [But it looks like it's satisfied for now with Mishiro's arm.](https://i.imgur.com/YOjWTiF.jpeg)
[Damn, these two changed their tune real quick](https://i.imgur.com/WBuN2XH.jpeg) after seeing Yuuki and Kotoha are still alive. I'm honestly surprised they didn't get caught in a trap when they rushed down the stairs after seeing some lights.
So it sounds like [Mishiro is playing this game to earn status and not just money.](https://i.imgur.com/xWnB3We.jpeg) She's also a total psychopath who [stabbed her sister to death](https://i.imgur.com/o4USMzu.jpeg) because she couldn't stand having someone better than her. That explains why she's been acting like a bitch towards Yuuki. She was insecure about Yuuki this entire time, so she took the initiative of painting her as a liar so the girls would trust her instead of Yuuki.
[That ending was very unexpected, tho!](https://i.imgur.com/uIAnNCc.jpeg) I never imagined that Yuuki was so goddamn petty. I thought she was just there to pick up Mishiro. Honestly? I like it. It shows a very human side of her. I do wonder if she's just playing it up for the cameras.
Reminds me of one I heard happened in a war:
**Soldier steps on mine and gets legs blow off**
**Medic rushes in to help**
"...Hey Doc, you see that fence over there?"
"...Yeah?"
"A minute ago I could see over it HAHAHAH."
Guess this means Yuuki is already getting that veteran mentality
> That explains why there haven't been any landmine traps lately. The organizers probably figured that the wolf would just step on it accidentally and make the entire wolf surprise pointless.
Oh I thought something else. The technology implied in this world we should consider basically allows time to do anything, so I would also imagine the wolf be immune to traps (for example via an implanted transponder detectable by the mines). I thought the wolf was there to emphasize this game's focus on cooperation because one person can't both watch the wolf and watch the path ahead.
Given that we _did_ not see any more mines though, I think you may be right.
I’m very intrigued by this show & Yukis character.
It's been awhile since an anime demanded my full attention like this. Definitely will need a rewatch once the season is over.
Also wonder if we'll see them fighting the wolf next episode? They do have knives.
Kotoha got saved. The other two followers found the stairs as well. All that's left is Yuki who came back and Mishiro with 1 arm. I wonder how many likability points Yuki will gain from this game?
We also got mention of the 9th game? Candle Woods which I'm guessing was on another level compared to the two games we've seen so far.
The venue for death games sure is one unfortunate place to form an enemy in. Gotta imagine how much Yuki savored letting all that out though.
[](#panic)
Well, I wasn't entirely sure, because it would be Kinko all over again!
(Then again, I imagine we'll have many Kinkos over the course of the show/99 games!)
[That was an interesting line, given the perspective that SHE, herself, wasn't deemed useful!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6470be9e6e5f.png)
[And this... Why is it important?](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/0c0e9f51fdd9.png)
She talked about "scoring points" but what does it mean? I imagine it may mean something for the people on the outside (who may bet on them and things like that), but for Yuki herself? Can she get better starting gear if people like her, or something like that?
If that's the case I can see where she's coming from! (And 'converting empathy for a benefit', that would fit the image I have of her!)
[Landmines are quite the effective diet!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/a8657274ed4c.png)
And unlike most diets, you're unlikely to regain the weight!
[](#urbansmile)
[We saw bits of that in the previous episode, but yeah, her 'stellar leadership' is eroding quickly...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/c3ec7bdbaa05.png)
[Yuki's proving herself smarter than them again, with just quick flashes of light; You don't need to see everything 24/7, that's just a waste of battery!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/73a8f8d7e9c6.png)
Ok I'm normally not a big fan of achronological order, but [PLEASE we need to see this game too!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/21fb6d2440c3.png)
(The way it's going wee're gonna see all the games in reverse hah; 28, 10, 9, 6, 3, 1! Well, I DO want to see her first game; Inexperienced Yuki, would be interesting to watch!)
[But whyyyyyyy Tell me whyyyyyyyyyy!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/badfe9a7dd72.png)
[](#needit)
[More doubts/dissension in the group...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b48f15de0b56.png)
[Not to 'Gambler fallacy' you, but not seeing traps for a while INCREASES the odds you'll see one soon;](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b37a23777b8e.png)
The design is not random, it's created to be interesting!
[Well I suppose that's one way to make it interesting! It's fine, let's fend off wolves in a minefield!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/38590386f128.png)
[](#panic)
I do believe 3 people armed (even if just rocks&knives) can win against a wolf or at least make it leave, but with these girls, [teamwork does not make the dream work...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/caffb17d668d.png)
[Oh, they found her again! (I wonder, can the wolf even eat that?)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/4e262ea1bd86.png)
She said it would come back to eat her, but if the wolf thinks it's not edible, it might leave her alone.
[*"I'm not just a sheep to be hunted"*](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/25916bbbc9df.png)
No, you're BEST GIRL, that's what you are!
[](#delighted)
[Damn, girls, Leader-chan isn't even cold yet!](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b8acf239ac82.png)
[Good lord, what a line... She risked her life/endangered the entire group just for pride/for control...](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/898630e3f4a9.png)
At this point I don't think we should be too sad if she died!
[She came back for that?](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/90b29514935c.png)
[](#flustered)
[In an earlier episode I was *internet-diagnosing* her a bit of a sociopath (and some disagreed), but I rest my case hah.](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/50c47ade37f6.png)
Well, with the 99 games thing and the "being likable" thing, there's more to her than that... But yeah, any hint of emotion/empathy our girl is showing always seem to have an ulterior motive, AND she's even coming back like that just to twist the knife, damn!
Taunting at the end is probably some strategy to get Mishiro to the final challenge, bet.
[](#delighted)