Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou • Jack-of-All-Trades, Party of None

Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou • Jack-of-All-Trades, Party of None - Episode 4 discussion

*Yuusha Party wo Oidasareta Kiyou binbou*, episode 4

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Arkam_slayer662026-01-21 16:29

Learn ur weak but refuse to accept it and blame the guy that was helping ya.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:11

Like even after Luna made him realize how much Orhun was hard carrying them, and he saw the physical evidence of that fact, he's **still** convinced they don't need him.

There's no saving Oliver.

Dry-Carpenter-67032026-01-21 18:30

For real, the sheer stupidity of the party members is over the top to be honest. They explicitly say that Orhun's can enhance abilities up to 50x while Selma who seems to be considered one of the greatest enchanters in the world can only enhance abilities up to 10x, it begs the question of how was Orhun ever considered a weak enchanter in the first place?

They say that the 50x thing is an original skill that he uses to "make up for his weaknesses" but if you do so by just directly buffing yourself at the thing you're weak at you're not "making up for your weakness" anymore, you just became stronger.

I feel like it would have been more interesting if they focused more on the aspect of him enchanting weapons and spells instead of the person directly, rather than just having him be 5 times more powerful than the next best enchanter.

BlinkedAndMissedIt2026-01-21 16:32

The last 3 minutes of this episode make no fucking sense. How do hear that someone was buffing your abilities 50x over and still think you're ok to continue at the same level without them? And it's almost guaranteed those kids are gonna be facing down a fucking black dragon now. What the fuck kind of magic item allows monsters to travel through a gate?

powerhcm82026-01-21 16:36

It's because he can't accept that his strength is borrowed, especially after kicking Orhun from that party, he won't admit that he made a mistake, he's the party leader so all his decision must be correct.

BlinkedAndMissedIt2026-01-21 16:40

They seemed to accept it as they were hauling ass away to call for help to clean up their mess. They all nearly died and had to use an extremely rare item to escape, if you still think your decisions are correct you probably deserve to die in the dungeon.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:29

But then hearing people cheer him on as a Hero party and feeling insecure after realizing how they were a fraud, I think it made him double down on blaming Orhun instead of himself.

PeaceAlien2026-01-21 16:43

The 'hero' is delusional.

OldInstruction53682026-01-21 18:02

Pride comes before the fall.

Meaning, if you can't let go of your pride, a fall from grace is inevitable.

Icy-Introduction55922026-01-21 19:00

The way I understood it is Ohrun's buff worked like a normal buff (not a x50 buff), but the new girls buff isn't doing jack shit, because hero-dude has really high magic resistance. Also, blue said if he invests more magic, his attack should work on the dragon, but he got lazy because he got used to relying on Ohrun's buff.

Anyway, he's definitely delusional if he thinks he can keep going with the party in this state.

powerhcm82026-01-21 16:32

On the first episode it seemed like the Hero was trying to gentle when kicking Orhun from the party, but I guess that was just pretense, he learned the true, still super arrogant and is doubling down.

The healer girl should just leave that party, I don't know why she didn't leave it already, probably because she wants to make a party with Orhun but he wants to be left alone for now, but if she stay in that party she could end up dead because of a bunch of arrogant dumbass (we know that she won't die, most author would never do that).

Edit: Since they brought up the finances, this will definitely see them struggle with it later, since they won't have anyone to manage and will just spend the money.

YdenMkII2026-01-21 16:38

Seems to me like the healer girl really wants to keep that childhood promise she mentioned in the previous episode alive by trying to keep this party together. She's definitely going about it the wrong way but I think she believes Orhun will eventually return to the party and doesn't realize how hurt he was when he got kicked out since she wasn't there when it happened.

mekerpan2026-01-21 17:04

Orhun can NEVER rejoin his original party. And the leader of that party and his 2 idiotic cronies are not worthy of being in the same party as Orhun and the healer.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:11

At this point I think the best outcome is Luna and Philly jump ship because there's no future for the Hero's Party.

mekerpan2026-01-21 18:27

Can't disagree.

PeaceAlien2026-01-21 16:43

The hero has arrogant inner dialogue, but outwardly, he's not that rough towards Orhun.

The other two that aren't childhood friends are the rudest towards Orhun.

djohnseniii2026-01-21 18:42

This is maybe the 2nd or 3rd anime where the support character gets kicked out of the party and the mage and tank are both just complete bastards. Not saying the leader's aren't also crappy, but its rare to find one where only 1 or 2 want a lineup change versus the "let's bully the support roll" trope.

mekerpan2026-01-21 17:02

Oliver is utterly beyond stupid -- much moreso than I thought at first (and that was already "real stupid"). I fgeel sorry for the healer and the new enchanter -- the other three members of that party are beyond saving (and not worth saving).

MasterAyy2026-01-21 17:23

>Since they brought up the finances, this will definitely see them struggle with it later, since they won't have anyone to manage and will just spend the money.

When they mentioned the penalty for the forced teleportation I'm guessing that they would have to pay a high price for that, I bet that'll wipe out the savings they had on top of everything else going wrong for them lol.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:14

Yeah, without Orhun coming back, the punishment for letting the dragon loose, and the hit this will take to their reputation...they're probably done.

Emotional_Interest842026-01-22 01:23

Yea without orhun they can prob barley manage level 70 dungeons lol this is just a guess tho but based on the fact they vouldnt even damage the mamoth on level 92

frand__2026-01-21 19:28

Also, it probably is public knowledge or at least it's informed to someone high up in status so their pr is dead.

OldInstruction53682026-01-21 17:53

So, we learned nothing new this episode. If even outsiders like Selma, who is held up as the continent's greatest enchanter and a once-in-a-generation prodigy, and her guild master both knew that Orhun was hard carrying the party...

Something that Orhun and the Healer within the party also knew...

This was inevitable.

The talk about finances is another huge red flag. Adventuring is gig work, that lacks a steady revenue stream (IE salary). It's also a dangerous job where shit is guaranteed to happen. You need to keep a sizeable "rainy day" fund for dry spells or just whenever something comes up.

All in all, this Hero's party really is too stupid to live. I fully understand what the Healer said about "Orhun finally gave up on US," as they really are dead weight that Orhun had to go above and beyond to work around.

IE: Their success was in spite of their best efforts, not directly because of it. But their ego and ignorance meant they could only see the "paper" value of Orhun's rank, A-class, and just assume these metrics are deterministic and objective values instead of rough approximations.

All while ignoring the evidence of their own eyes... because of pride.

The new Enchanter should bounce and the Healer should leave with her.

djohnseniii2026-01-21 18:38

The "hero party" should also have their ranks reevaluated now that Orhun is gone. There is no way they are actually strong enough without him to be considered S rank anymore. I wouldn't be surprised of they were actually closer to B rank than even A. As far as them not understanding how powerful Orhun actually is, it really comes down to assumptions and lack of communication between the hero party and other enchanters. They looked at Selma and just assumed she was more amazing without ever bothering to ask her why or how Orhun could become a better enchanter for their party. I'm sure Selma would have explained their ignorance. Not to mention, Orhun is only an enchanted because out of all of them, he had the best compatibility for it of all of them, so not only was he a great swordsman, he's now technically what we would call a spell sword. What a stupid arrogant hero party. Hoping oh so hoping that the hero party doesn't try to lie their way out of this.

frand__2026-01-21 19:27

The hero could barely carry his own armour, either B or C rank.

Honestly I'd say the assumptions come from not seeing Orhun study, probably even staying up at night to do it, so just plain stupidity.

frand__2026-01-21 19:25

>"rainy day" fund for dry spells

Lol

>A-class

He was S tho, they just called him A class as an insult.

OldInstruction53682026-01-21 23:44

No, his abilities are only A-rank. This is why the Mage and Defender hate him so much. They are "S-Class HEROES" and are OFFENDED that this "Lower ranked PEON" has DARED to boss them around.

They are ego-tripping assholes, in other words.

It's also why they keep deriding him as a "Jack of all trades, master of none." He's A-rank in many abilities, but lacks any S-rank qualifications.

But yes, he was apart of an S-ranked party despite not having S-ranked abiltiies.

The fact that the legendary genius Enchanter that revolutionized how the game is played views Orhun as better than her... means there is a **serious** flaw in how ability is quantified.

But the "Heroes" couldn't begin to accept this because that would mean admitting the "lesser" being isn't actually "lesser" than them. They'd have to reevaluate their own self-worth, and they would rather commit suicide-via-stupidity than admit they were the scrubs getting carried.

feb9142026-01-21 19:41

I dare to bet the Forced Gate that they used cost a lot, that's why they only have one.

And we do learn something new: the hero party is in fact so bad: the hero is not compatible to be buffed, the Magician is too used to do easy mid class magic, the armour guy can't even do his work without buffed armour, nobody can strategize without Orhun.

Sometimes in story like this, the rest of the party itself is not really bad, they just become so much better (or gel together) with MC. This one the hero himself would not be able to join other party if he's that hard to be buffed.

Pickled_Kagura2026-01-21 20:19

imagine if he starts buffing actual S class adventurers with compatibility and average to above average combat awareness

kalirion2026-01-21 20:21

> So, we learned nothing new this episode.

We learned that there's an OP floor boss that's smart enough to not only leave his boss room but to also know how to use the party's escape gates to portal to the upper levels of the dungeon.

Southern-Beginning922026-01-21 21:40

And how much do you want to bet that the reason it didn't leave his room the first time was also because something that Ohrun did? 100%.

kalirion2026-01-21 21:57

What exactly could he have done to a boss before even encountering the boss in its boss room? I don't care how much Ohrun gets glazed, he's not a literal omniscient and omnipotent god.

Plus it's common knowledge in the setting that bosses do not leave their boss rooms. If Ohrun knew otherwise, then he would've been obligated to let the entire adventurer's guild know about that.

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-21 22:58

We learned you should throw your escape gate close to yourself.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:15

>The healer girl should just leave that party, I don't know why she didn't leave it already, probably because she wants to make a party with Orhun but he wants to be left alone for now, but if she stay in that party she could end up dead because of a bunch of arrogant dumbass (we know that she won't die, most author would never do that).

I think she still wanted to have faith that Oliver would see sense before she saw him really double down in this episode.

Philly also assumed the Hero's Party would be a solid gig because of their reputation without realizing what she was really signing on for. So she needs to ditch them too.

powerhcm82026-01-21 18:23

I can already see them trying to coerce both to stay and will try to pin their failure on Philly saying that she lied about how good she was.

djohnseniii2026-01-21 18:45

Even Philly doesn't fully believe that Orhun was able to make a x50 potency original spell, stating Selma was only able to x10. They need to have an enchanter event where its proven once and for all the strength and intelligence difference between all these different enchanters so Orhum can finally get his time in the limelight.

feb9142026-01-21 19:43

I guess enchanters that know how good Orhun is will not want to replace him, knowing how impossible the work is.

djohnseniii2026-01-21 20:57

I like how we learned from Philly that the hero party has a high magic resistance and it makes even someone with her experience have to struggle to keep buffs active on them.

Narrheim2026-01-22 00:10

Not to mention the thingy from previous episode about debuffs. How they're hard to pull off and Orhun did it as if it was nothing.

Settra_does_not_Surf2026-01-21 22:25

Eh, i think when he soloes that dragon next episode, he will have his limelight.
I mean he can self buff to a ridiculous degree so without having to carry his ex party its probably going to be doable for him.

Narrheim2026-01-22 00:10

Watch him credit the success to the entire party he'll be with (my bet is on the trio of students).

EmployAnxious95222026-01-22 05:31

I believe that too. I betcha it shows up on the floor with the newbies. Ohrun to save the day

Nerikou2026-01-21 18:26

Look man, PirateSoftware is a good guy I swear.

kalirion2026-01-21 20:19

> The healer girl should just leave that party, I don't know why she didn't leave it already

She should've left during that meeting. "I don't want to die." "You aren't allowed to refuse."

manept2026-01-21 21:28

IKR? Like, what?
"I'm not allowed to refuse? Dafuq you gonna do, kill me? Go find another healer instead, you had no trouble replacing Orhun, I'm sure you other great healer candidates at your beck and call."

deynyel2026-01-21 16:32

Finally here we are. The hero's party realizing how they'd fare without Orhun.

mekerpan2026-01-21 17:05

But 3 of the 5 members REFUSE to accept reality.

ObvsThrowaway51202026-01-21 16:35

We’ve finally gotten to the classic episode where the “Hero” and their party find out just how badly they messed up kicking the MC out. They’re practically trash tier worms without our unassuming “weak” MC around lol.

It’s almost laughable how stupid the party was being minus Luna and Philly. They couldn’t take down the mammoth, but they thought they could take the dragon? Despite Oliver realizing they’re weaker too. Idiots. And they basically let that shit loose. Let’s see how badly Oliver’s pride continues to screw everyone.

Tonebriz2026-01-21 18:12

They couldn't even hurt the mammoth and got compeltely destroyed.

- Dragon comes in and squashes the mammoth like a bug.

"We can beat the dragon for sure"

I wanted those 3 to die so bad

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:43

"It went so well the first time!"

NoNameSwitzerland2026-01-21 21:46

The first time went well even while dragged down by Orhun.

liquidpele2026-01-21 18:52

Next up in predictable tropes, the sane girl leaves the party and the rest circle the drain... then the hero steals some artifact or makes a deal with obviously-evil person to try and gain power again, turns into a monster, and MC has to save them - but must allow the entire town to be half-destroyed and everyone evacuated while trying to talk sense to it first, and certainly can't kill the bastard that deserves to be killed.

Sarellion2026-01-21 19:53

Tbf most people are really reluctant to kill their childhood friends and the vast majority of the rest who have no issues with that, don't have childhood friends (anymore).

Ralathar442026-01-22 07:00

No, its just bad writing. The "weak" enchanter was actually massively more powerful than everyone else all along. In a straight "he's just flat out more powerful" way.

The entire premise is that he was weak because he had weak magic and therefore did lesser amounts of buffing. If a normal enchanter could raise your strength 50 and a powerful one could raise it 100, he could raise it like 40.

But what they explained this episode is basically the exact opposite. That, because of his original spells having a higher multiplier, he'd be raising their strength like 300 instead AND have other significant bonuses.

Trash show, trash writing. I'll see you here next week as I continue to watch lol.

YdenMkII2026-01-21 16:42

I'm wondering how rare buffing equipment is now. I remember the supporter kid in the previous episode understood the concept of sharpness up making it easy to cut those webs but the mention of equipment buffs shocked the party when Luna mentioned it was being cast.

fun_until_you_lose2026-01-21 19:42

I think the thing that is shocking is that he was running all of them constantly in addition to other buffs. He keeps a mental timer of each so that none ever expire. This means the hero never felt the weight of his sword because it starts being buffed the moment he draws it. Orhun’s brain would need to be like a computer.

oxlemf102026-01-21 16:43

The fact that practically the entire episode was Luna rubbing it in the faces of the rest of the party that they are nothing without Orhun was inexplicably funny; her only mistake was thinking that these pricks would have the humility to admit it

Tonebriz2026-01-21 18:10

She even said that going in at floor 92 would be them walking to their deaths. She should have left the party on the spot when they said they'd go anyway and she can't veto the decision

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:27

Honestly I kind of like how Orhun and Luna both think pretty similarly. And she was basically the only one in the party who fully understood what he was doing and respected him.

frand__2026-01-21 19:39

It seems like they spent a sizable chunk of time together studying and handling other party necessities like gear maintenance and such in comparison to how much they spent with the rest of the party. Orhun also was a swordsman so it's not hard to believe that maybe Luna is the one that taught him the basics of magic when he was getting started.

alastoris2026-01-21 20:44

When when playing RPG, the healer and supporter gets along great because they're aware how critical each other's role is for the whole party and the ability to clear.

Typically you can get away with just a healer but it's soooo much easier with a dedicated support!

frand__2026-01-21 19:38

Yeah that struck me as weird, presumably Oliver, Orhun and Luna all founded it together, Orhun should be of equal standing to Oliver and he would've needed Luna agreeing to kick Orhun out. Maybe the party doesn't differentiate between members.

Pickled_Kagura2026-01-21 20:31

bro has main character syndrome to the max. I'm getting the feeling that Oliver started off super genuine but somewhere along the way he started huffing his own stank. I would imagine at one point he was a better raw swordsman but he got lazy with his paladin shtick that got ultra boosted by Orhun. He absolutely sees himself as the leader and core of the party and as such he's "making the tough decision" that is allegedly holding them back.

LaunchTomorrow2026-01-22 07:23

Honestly I have no friggin idea how you would NOT make an ultimatum right then and there given the circumstances. Considering she said that the Black Dragon was a close call even last time, it is certified suicidal to go along with a plan to take a test drive of the new party member in that area.

Luna should have said "oh, so you're saying it's a mandatory party event? I'll leave the party if that's the case. I'm a first-rate healer, I'll get paid enough at any other A-rank or above party, you guys can have all the dying to yourselves."

Doing anything else just shows Luna is not right in the head either.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:13

She was waiting to deliver that "I told you so" for an entire episode lol.

She and Philly deserved better than this.

Satanic_Asian2026-01-21 21:57

Even after all this talk, Oliver in the end still thinks they're fine without Orhun.. Really sloppy writing ngl. We have to wait a whole week for the next episode, basically a wasted episode if I say myself.

RedHotChiliCrab2026-01-21 18:16

Her biggest mistake was only telling everybody the details of Orhun's magic after they got crushed in the dungeon. If she told them at the meeting she would've at least warned the new girl and given her a chance to make an informed decision on joining this party.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:28

I think she didn't fully realize how little the party understood what Orhun had been doing up until that moment. Or she also didn't fully realize how much they had all wasted their skills away relying on Orhun until she saw them fight without him.

Mistral-Fien2026-01-21 18:40

She even told Anneli she she probably can't cast any Special-class spells anymore.

welfedad2026-01-21 18:36

You think they would have listened ? They are so arrogant they would never have accepted it. They needed to be almost die and put everyone else lives in line to realize how they were wrong. But now it's way too late ..

Sarellion2026-01-21 19:26

When they were running she mentioned that she told them many times before.

kalirion2026-01-21 20:22

Her only mistake was going with them to level 92 instead of leaving the party after being told she "is not allowed to refuse".

PeaceAlien2026-01-21 16:45

Orhun is 'weaker,' but he perfected his skills to work with his party. And with how he perfected them, they are x50 stronger than they should be.

RoyalKingXxaphyr2026-01-21 17:01

The weird part is why anyone receiving his buffs would think he was weak in the first place, Orhun included. If he knew his spells increased effectiveness 50x, why would he ever think that other enchanters were better? Factor in that he is also faster at casting it than anyone and now he's just lying to himself about his skills.

YdenMkII2026-01-21 17:16

I'd imagine it's a collective effectiveness of 50x but everyone outside of Luna didn't realize that Orhun's buffs were stacking multiplicatively rather than additively. They ended up hyperfocusing on the raw stat boosts rather than how all the buffs played with each other.

RoyalKingXxaphyr2026-01-21 17:34

Even then, that might be a bit far. They must have been pushing themselves when Orhun was still acting as a swordman, but after they start receiving his buffs, the amount of effort they have to produce is reduced heavily enough to the point of their skills regressing. I know arrogance is a thing, but damn.

OldInstruction53682026-01-21 18:04

This. They have the "struggling in mediocrity" before Orhun switched, then the "meteoric rise to top of the pack" afterwards.

Even outsiders like Selma and her guild master could realize this truth: Orhun was hard-carrying his party.

So there is no excuse for the party itself not to realize the sudden increase in their fortunes was traced back to one guy switching roles.

But if the party was smart, capable, or just generally had an IQ above room temperature, then the plot couldn't happen.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:30

I think it was partially that they attributed the success and their power boosts to themselves rather than purely to Orhun's party.

DucktorLarsen2026-01-21 18:18

All I see is awful character writing that repeats over and over again. This episode was astonishing to watch.

___Chud___2026-01-21 16:45

Halfway through the episode and they're getting their ass kicked by a laser mammoth, the black dragon literally squishes it like a bug, and all of a sudden they revert to saying how it'll be easy for them and they've beaten it before?

This writing is painful. In fact, every 'kicked out of party' I have ever come across has been like this. Is there one anime like this that actually has a half competent script? Where the characters / old party etc. isnt comically inept and unbelievable, like a high ranked party should be?

RoyalKingXxaphyr2026-01-21 17:06

Yeah, I want to see one where they get kicked out of the party, but at the time it makes sense. Maybe they get stronger later on, or their skills, while valuable elsewhere or for themself, aren't exactly useful to the party, or something.

athrun_12026-01-21 17:29

To the point that I'm beginning to like the hero. I thought that he is sensible after all, after hearing the truth. But then, it happened, that last part.

OldInstruction53682026-01-21 17:58

Nope!

Because if the banished 'protagonist' wasn't some misunderstood prodigy and the party had a good reason to kick them...

Then the wish fulfilment of rubbing your bully's nose in shit couldn't happen!

That's all these are. Shallow wish fulfilment where you get to experience petty revenge against the stupid people that wronged you for stupid reasons suffer horribly while a harem of hot chicks appears out of nowhere to glaze your 'Mighty Excalibur.'

If any of it was well written or well thought out, then you'd have to accept you were bullied for a good reason, or an acceptable one at least, that you were seriously flawed in some way, that the bullies are people worthy of respect and empathy as well, and that you need to put in the hard work to change yourself into a person worthy of esteem.

But fuck all that gay shit. You are already prefect! And the reason those shit heads couldn't see it is because they are sub-human troglodytes! You've done nothing wrong! You deserve to be angry and need the entire world to recognize that! Without any critical thinking or introspection or change or none of that hard and painful stuff!

That's all these shows are.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:17

I think at best they never really took into account or looked into Orhun's buffs because Orhun didn't talk himself up and they were too high on their own victories to care until it went so far above their heads that there was no going back for them.

WINSTON9132026-01-21 18:28

Roll Over and Die does it pretty well and it is airing this season if you haven't caught it. Changes the dynamics a lot in very sensible ways including why the character is now OP and wasn't considered so before.

RedHotChiliCrab2026-01-21 18:09

Last season's "The Banished Court Magician Aims to Become the Strongest" was pretty decent for one of these shows. The hero's party was just as stupid as always, but at least they weren't an active part of the story after kicking him out.

frand__2026-01-21 20:29

Also the prince admitted he fucked up after fighting Alec and it seems the king was thinking about making it so nobles aren't allowed to be so self serving and commoner hating.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:16

I mean, at this point half the appeal of watching a Banished anime is watching everything going downhill for the party that kicks the MC out.

IntroductionRare52712026-01-21 18:16

I think the hero needed to have a moustache and lick the mages cheek while he kicked out the MC it would have really tied the whole thing together.

These series and isekai's too just follow what feels like a procedurally generated format that has check boxes and they're all just trash lol. Just exposition dumps, and telling the same story the exact same way over and over

WINSTON9132026-01-21 18:27

Literally Roll Over and Die airing right now.

Except that one is sensible in that everyone valued their personal skills except one who viciously lied and sold the protagonist into slavery where they finally understand their absurdly OP skill in a reasonable way. It's pretty neat so far!

Timestar3652026-01-21 19:19

There are two I have found so far:

"Banished from the Hero's Party, I Decided to Live a Quiet Life in the Countryside": Here, the MC is becoming substantially weaker than the rest. It was his excellent administrative skills that got overlooked. Also, only one jealous party member kicked him out (to get a better shot at a relationship with a girl in the party), and just pretended to speak for the rest. The rest of the party never would have agreed to kicking him out, had they known.

"Roll Over and Die: I will fight for an Ordinary Life with my Love and my Cursed Sword": (New anime this season, but I read some of the LN a few years back.): (Details shown here only cover Ep.1): Similar to above, kicked out by one party member, who pretended to speak for the rest. Also, she was legitimately weak, with a crippling negative ability. It was only after being kicked out that she discovered how to use her self-crippling ability in a way that would give her power.

Honorable Mention: Now, I will say that "The Banished Court Magician Aims to Become the Strongest" is more believable than most, since he is kicked out by a spoiled child prince who is just way to full of himself, instead of multiple supposed-to-be-mature adventurers in most such anime.

feb9142026-01-21 19:50

There's an anime where the MC is human raised by Demon King. The Son of the Demon King hates him as human and kick him out. The country doesn't fall apart right away, but people's good will on the royalty is mostly because of the human, so one by one the Demon tribes defect to work with human group.

frand__2026-01-21 20:33

That sounds horribly close to Chilling in my 30s but I know it's not that one.

feb9142026-01-21 20:35

It is that one. I may have misremembered how bad the Demon kingdom missed Dariel though.

NanDemoKnaives2026-01-21 19:49

Yeah it did really feel stupid, I thought we would get some good development but Oliver completely backtracked.

TheJunkyardDog2026-01-21 16:50

This dense mofo... still thinking they can do it without Orhun is peak idiocy.
Luna must leave them and let them wipe.

BornfromDarkness2026-01-21 16:52

We needed some music to play during their great ass hauling out of the dungeon… so you guys not gonna tell the people at the entrance to not go in? Actually wait, how did enchanter girl even get to 92 as don’t you need to clear floors to be able to teleport there etc?

One hand I enjoyed the rubbing it in, other hand I feel like a decent amount of screen time was wasted.

Funny how she said “he gave up on us” cue seeing all that food

Financial-Risk12302026-01-21 16:52

Orhun vs. Black Dragon, next episode

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:12

I'm betting he's going to end up soloing it to show how powerful he is as a Swordsman and really make everyone (and Ohis old party) realize how much they misjudged him.

Wild_Obligation32652026-01-21 18:59

He'll either solo it or go "Ok, kids, this is a learning moment. Time to fight your first dragon." and then coordinate and execute a flawless strategy with his three oompa loompas while handling the original boss in the same room.

frand__2026-01-21 19:34

Maybe he'll coordinate all ~~50 kids at the same time and let them kill it lol.

Roeclean2026-01-21 21:53

Holyyyyyyyyy, that sounds amazing, and then go in for the final blow, just cause🤣🤣

frand__2026-01-21 23:28

Playing general while fighting for his f-ing life.

frand__2026-01-21 19:33

That would be a bit of a stretch but this is a power fantasy anime after all....

joe45532026-01-21 19:35

The OP shows Orhun fighting the black dragon with the kids watching.

JamesSomdet2026-01-21 17:07

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Frontier2462026-01-21 18:41

As long as Luna and Philly escape this mess unscathed, I'll be satisfied.

shadebug2026-01-21 17:13

This, this is what people need to be using as the benchmark for stupid.

I Parry Everything gets a bad rap but I believed why he thought he was useless due to a hilarious series of misunderstandings. These guys get a tragic series of truth bombs and more exposition than any one show can handle and they still think they’ve got this.

Question is, when a trio of children manage to defeat the black dragon with the jack of all trades’ advice, will the Hero Party still be able to convince themselves he’s no good?

Tonebriz2026-01-21 18:20

The kids + Orhun will only be able to beat the dragon because the Hero's Party weakened it and did all the work of course. (by tickling it with New Years Fireworks)

shadebug2026-01-21 18:21

Actually, yeah, the person we really need to pay attention to is the healer. How much of their BS is she willing to put up with?

Tonebriz2026-01-21 18:25

She should have left the party the moment the hero wanted to go to floor 92 despite her telling them they would be walking to their deaths.

It looks like she wanted him to get a reality check, sadly he is delusional so that didn't really work out.

Afraidofhawk2026-01-21 17:13

There was a part of my brain that was ready to accept that the MC's support magic was weaker, but he made up for it in all of the various ways being displayed: faster casting, debuff usage, clockwork precision with his timing, buffing not only people, but things...

This was already pretty shallow. We've seen the song and dance of people undeservedly going unappreciated before. That slum healer anime where the guy can solo the verse and then heal everyone after, the misfit of demon academy that clowns on gods and toys with reality itself, the irregular at magic high school who has at least three secret identities off the top of my head (secretly a member of the top family, a walking WMD in the special forces, the famous inventor)... the list goes on.

All of those had some reason (however shallow) for them being underestimated. The slum healer kid didn't have formal training or a license, the misfit of demon academy is a half-blood muggle or whatever, and Batman three cowls deep (the irregular at magic high school) had his power level read by a really shitty scouter.

In comes this show. The singular thing that it's reasonable for him to be deficient in, the magnitude of his buffs, is chucked out of the window when they say that he's five times stronger than the person said to be the strongest enchanter in the world.

We're supposed to be ragebaited against the hero party, but when they threw that out there, whatever rage I felt toward them was instantly shifted to the people who greenlit this thing to be animated.

Blue_Reaper992026-01-21 18:09

>that he's five times stronger than the person said to be the strongest enchanter in the world.

They omitted it but all I can say is it it's not as straightforward. There is downside to it. Probably they will show it in the future.

roryteller2026-01-21 17:28

So at the end they run off, presumably to the guild... Really they should be telling anyone that will listen that a black dragon is loose in some random boss room. Of course the leader couldn't stand to lose that much face but it would be the sensible thing.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:41

I guess they thought their priority was getting to the guild as fast as possible to ensure they can get everyone out of the dungeon in time.

But it was kind of funny seeing people cheer them on while they're running like idiots.

Thedemonwhisperer2026-01-21 17:29

Orun better refuse to help them. The sheer arrogance.

Tonebriz2026-01-21 18:16

I don't think they will get a chance to ask him. I assume Orhun will just beat the dragon with the kids or something because it will inevitably show up on their floor.

Shmappii2026-01-21 17:32

I was being favorable to this show since I liked how they were handling Orhun by having him take on a mentor role, but this episode took all the weakest aspects of the premise and multiplied them to an insane level.

I understand conceptually that arrogance and ignorance can make some shitty people, but the description of events in this episode requires Orhun to be so immensely perfect from the start and 3/4 of his party members to never communicate or pay attention to anyone else on the planet. It also needs Orhun to be the kind of person that can innovate in a field to a prodigious level without being able to explain it or compare himself to others.

Blah, these banishment plotlines have so much potential for exploring characters and relationships. I keep tuning in with charitability that gets wasted.

Wild_Obligation32652026-01-21 19:05

In other words this has become a love letter to Nicola Tesla. Ohrun is Tesla by your description. The autistic innovator who never effectively communicated his ideas to others and lived in his workshop.

Shmappii2026-01-21 19:13

If we ever confirm that Tesla killed a Dragon, I'll happily take back everything I said because that's radical

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-21 22:55

> took all the weakest aspects of the premise and multiplied them to an insane level

By 50 perhaps?

athrun_12026-01-21 17:34

Good thing that they deal with the truth outright in just one episode. For a hero party trope, they did accept the truth pretty well.

Also, as mentioned by Luna, they are not totally weak, if they just spend a little bit of time during the casting time, they can produce a powerful output. Ohrun, basically remove the casting, cool down time, and add boost enchantments by his support magic.

Though the last part confused me, first scene they are accepting the truth and the second the hero became a douche.

Background_Formal9402026-01-21 18:27

He hates ohrun for some reason even if he would accept the truth he would rather die then admit that the guy he hates is better than him

Lunarpeers2026-01-21 17:40

Is the plot twist that the hero's party is experiencing mass delusion? How can you not notice or even ignore when someone is buffing you by '50 times'...

Nawinter_nights2026-01-21 17:49

Such a delight to watch the heroes party fail for 1 full episode

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:40

It's a time-honored Banished anime tradition!

hasanman62026-01-21 17:56

At least luna has some competence

Acrobatic_Egg302026-01-21 18:03

A human who is 50 times stronger will be able to jump about 25 metres. If you were normal and got this buff in the dungeon there's 0% chance you wouldn't notice it. Normal people can jump about 50 centimetres vertically, elite athletes could be 1 metre. It seems like they're brain-dead, poor writing.

MayonakaMadaraka2026-01-21 18:06

I hope Luna comes to terms with the quality of the supposed heroes and chooses to leave them to their own foolishness. She needs to get the truth straight with Orhun after all the hero’s ignorant lies.

Frontier2462026-01-21 18:10

Well, it's nice to see Caroline trying to wingwoman for Sophia in an effort to keep Orhun around.

Philly is cute, busty, has an flattering leg slit in her outfit, and seems like a genuinely nice person. She just had the bad luck of getting recruited to replace Orhun in the Hero's Party and immediately notice that the Hero's Party is wasting funds on throwing a party while throwing shade at Orhun at every chance they can. Oliver even calls him a "loser." Ugh.

And then Luna walks in and sees everyone celebrating and finds out what they did to Orhun...and she's the only one who fully realized back then how screwed they were without him, but nobody would listen to her. Even though she knew, like Orhun, that they shouldn't head deeper into the dungeon to train their new party formation.

And immediately the cracks begin showing: none of their attacks are as strong as they used to be, their defense isn't working, their magic isn't hitting as hard, and the buffs just aren't nearly as effective. They can't even defeat one laser mammoth without Orhun. And before Luna can even say "I told you so" the Black Dragon they wanted to avoid fighting above all else shows up to try to kill them.

They are SO out of their depth here. The attacks that actually worked on the Black Dragon no longer work and they're clearly no match for it this go-around. Even Oliver's signature move does nothing to it. And as if to make everything worse, their attempt to escape the Black Dragon only serves to send it to another floor, siccing it on another unsuspecting party. They REALLY screwed this one up.

And then Luna lays into them about how screwed they were without Orhun: how he was hard carrying them with his original magic buffs, with capacity far beyond what Philly thought was possible, and as a result Oliver, Derrick, and Anneli have all let their skills atrophy to the point where they're nowhere near as strong without him. They're basically a mid to lower rank party without Orhun at this point.

Everyone celebrating the Hero's Party when they're really running with their tail between their legs...and yet Oliver is STILL convinced they don't need Orhun. What a joke!

Background_Formal9402026-01-21 18:14

The EP was satisfying watching the heroes party stuffer because of their arrogance made feel warm and fuzzy inside but now almost every adventurer are in danger because of their stupidity unleashing a dragon like that goes beyond the pale what even more dumb is how they continue to call the mc weak despite the black dragon wiping the floor with them although even if they were to see how wrong they were and invited the mc back past episodes showed he will never come back especially after the news paper and Luna I get she is nice but she is also inconsiderate she wants the MC to come back to a group of losers that treated him like dirt and talked badly behind his back

JWeirdine2026-01-21 18:22

I didn't get it tbh. If he was using buffs far more powerful than Selma's, how come did his party members conclude that he was weaker than other buffers?

Did they just presume his buffs were weaker because they thought they were using their own strength? If so, why did this happen? Like, how did they come to the conclusion his buffs had nothing to do with their performance.

It feels like they randomly, without any evidence, simply decided MC wasn't good enough.

I was expecting some explanation like: even though his buffs weren't as strong as others, he was using those in a smart way, or smth like that... But when they stated that his buffs were stronger than Selma's the plot seemed to become a bit off to me.

Can someone help me figure this out?

djohnseniii2026-01-21 18:53

I only remember the raid they went on when they saw Selma. I think she was casting buffs that may have been more powerful, but since the hero party is very unaware of the goings on around them, they probably didn't realize that Orhun was timing his buffs so they never wore off, while simultaneously keeping his attention on the entire battlefield, while yet again casting debuffs on the monsters along with buffs, but also casting multiple buffs including his original spells. The healer mentions it in this last episode that as Orhun got better with his buffs, the rest of the party just assumed they were the ones actually getting better. I'm also curious to know if any of them do any training outside of dungeon runs. This feels to me like they all just lay around doing nothing and saw Orhun struggling to better himself and took that to mean, he's working so hard because he's so weak while we are just naturally gifted and strong (obviously we known it's the opposite).

JWeirdine2026-01-21 20:17

But it was specifically stated that while Selma's buffs would improve an ally's strength by 10x, MC's buffs would do that by 50x (because of his original spells).

So even if they were unaware of all the side-work Orhun was putting up in battle + unaware of his original spells, they would still have to conclude his buffs were better than Selma's.

I mean, as someone being buffed, the only thing that is actually perceived is how stronger one has become after getting a buff.

So I think my actual question is: how and why did they think Selma casted stronger buffs?

I think your theory of training absence makes sense. Maybe they really thought their actual power was that and Ohrun's buffs weren't as strong.

Tels3152026-01-22 01:44

I've mentioned it a few times, but the only thing I can conclude is that most everyone is using a standard list of spells. All enchanters know Defense Up, Strength Up etc., but the potency of that buff is determined by a caster. Selma can cast such a spell and give a 10x increase, but maybe Orhun can only do a 2x increase. However, Orhun can also, seemingly, maintain a large number of spells at once, and he can debuff enemies. But then he invented his original magic. So while his original magic may let him give a 50x increase, he knows that if Selma cast that same spell, it would be even stronger. However, if anyone asks him, "How large of an increase does your Defense Up give?" He would say a 2x increase, because that's what it does.

Honestly, I wish this wasn't the way the story was going. I would be way happier if Orhun was, instead, just really gifted at maintaining dozens of spells at once. Cast a Strength Up, Attack Up, and a Sharpness Up, then cast Defense Down on enemy, Weakness to Cutting, etc. (a 32x effective increase), while simultaneously doing the same for all of the other party members. Especially since it was stated even Selma struggles with debuffs or can't do them. So the overall strength of his magic is weak, but the sheer variety and mixing of them is the cause of his strength.

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-21 22:57

You have to keep in mind that everyone in this world is really really stupid.

darthvall2026-01-22 02:35

Yeah, I got really disappointed that the mage and the shielder are just comically evil dumb at this point.

How did they join the childhood group in the first place and became very hateful to Orun.

IndependentReply89482026-01-21 18:26

Orhun not only hard carried them in battle but also in their finances. They’re cooked. Really enjoying this anime so far.

djohnseniii2026-01-21 18:47

"Why did Orhum have all these different accounts for the hero party?" "Money is more enjoyable when spent" or whatever their mage said. Where's the slapping my face emoji....even the new enchanter was trying to speak up about why savings are exactly that, savings. Ah there it is. 🤦‍♂️

Icy-Introduction55922026-01-21 18:50

Damn, it looked like hero-dude was realising, that they aren't strong enough without Ohrun, but he decided to take the delulu-path at the end. At least he realised how bad they screwed up and feels somewhat responsible for the dragon, which might kill some other adventurers. Hope he redeems himself, because he doesn't seems like a lost cause yet.

Tank dude and wizzard girl seem like the worst out of the bunch. Altough they might stray from the delulu-path now that blue explained everything (again?), they behaved like utter trash beforehand. Either they realise how much they screwed up, or go down with captain-delulu trying to fight some insanely strong monsters without Ohrun.

I admire blue for trying to get them to understand just how essential Ohrun was for the party, even though I don't think it's going to work out. She definitely should give up on the arrogant pricks and join Ohrun.

Regarding the black dragon, obviously Ohrun is going to encounter it and clean up the mess the others left behind and I'm looking forward to it.

SoggsTheMage2026-01-21 19:15

Did the show ever give a reason why exactly they cannot bring two enchanters in the party? I know it makes the premise redundant but especially in this show this particular plot hole, which many of those banished anime have, sticks out.

NoNameSwitzerland2026-01-21 22:03

inconceivable. Two enchanters is like crossing the beams in ghost busters. That might destroy the whole genre if there is a recursive intelligence buff that leads to general awareness.

frand__2026-01-21 19:32

The episode honestly makes no sense. Selma said the effect of Orhun's spells was weaker than average but he was faster.

The complication shouldn't have come from them lacking power in the attacks but the strategy and approach they took in battle, I've getting severely injured and Luna being unable to heal them or from being unable to approach an enemy with an anti-dmg field or something insane that Orhun's learnt how to disable or temporarily interrupt.

Badasshy2026-01-21 19:36

I like how the show was claiming that Orhun was not as strong as other enchanters only then later saying btw he actually can increase the strength of someone by 50x… how is he weaker? I understand the premise of these types of shows but man what lazy writing lmao. The whole time I didn’t understand what made him better other than he has good timing when to re apply the buffs and he awareness in battle. No way they went with oh he makes bigger number actually

darthvall2026-01-22 02:25

My question exactly!!! I don't understand how they come to the conclusion that Orun is unneeded, especially since they're trying to replace Orun with another supporter.

What's still makes sense for me that they didn't notice:

- Orun individual support magic is weaker than others, however

- Orun can coordinate them perfectly

- Orun counted when the buff wear off, so it feels like they're always buffed at the right time

- Orun debuff the enemies as well (we've seen this)

- Orun buff both the teammates and their equipment at the correct time

That 50 times original magic seems like nothing that wouldn't be unnoticeable if they call him weak. Is it 50 times stronger or 50 times the duration? I'm unclear on that since that topic was brought up when they discussed about buff duration

FionaSilberpfeil2026-01-22 02:38

I would say its going more in the "50x stronger", since they talk about potency when mentioning his original spells. Which is insane on its own. 50x stronger/better should be insanly noticable, but to be fair, Orhun himself said it was his fault, rather, this type of spell was the fault, since he constantly used it, so the others thought it was their own strength that just grew.

kinglee3132026-01-22 04:14

To be fair, Selma (the best enchanter) knew how good he was and was shocked when he became a free agent and that he changed his class. Everybody in the Night Sky Silver Rabbits, except Selma's sister, thinks he's wasting time as a swordsman. Selma more so because in her head, he had to have been strictly an enchanter based on how good he was and it's a waste to try something new.

Basically, the only dumbass people are the rest of the heroes party besides Luna, and Orhun himself for not recognizing his own level compared to the other enchanters. If he personally realized how good he actually is, he'd have more ground to stand on when he was trying to stay in the party.

Poldaran2026-01-22 14:55

It's fairly explainable. It's like a business with an IT guy. He doesn't seem to do much, but everything is fine. Then the boss hears about the new up and coming protocols, which the old guy doesn't have certifications in. So the boss fires the old guy and hires a whiz kid with all the right certs.

But then it turns out the old guy was the only one keeping all the legacy systems up and running, coded the backend and knows that if you move the stuffed wombat in the janitor's closet on the third floor, you'll actually bring down the whole network(though even he doesn't know why that's so, but it always happens).

The rest of the party is like management at the business. They know they need an enchanter. But they have no effing clue what the hell they do to get results. So they default to the only metric they know:

Certifications.

fun_until_you_lose2026-01-21 19:50

There was a lot of bad writing in this episode but it mostly fit the story. The one thing that really didn’t make sense was Luna. She knows they might die going to the 92nd floor. She literally says it. Why did she go with them? All she had to do is say no. They wouldn’t go without the healer.

She isn’t shown to be a pushover. She’s very outspoken. It makes no sense that she would agree to go when she knows how dangerous it is. I hope next episode is better.

kalirion2026-01-21 20:18

Honestly, why didn't Blue just quit the party after that "2 days ago" meeting? "I don't want to end up dead." "You aren't allowed to refuse." The fuck? Anyone in their right mind would've walked out after that, even without the party having just betrayed their childhood friend.

The drago's one smart boss. Why limit itself to wiping out one weakling party when it can wipe out a whole bunch of weakling parties instead? I certainly hadn't expected the "Heroes" to fuck up in a way that would endanger so many others in the dungeon rather than just themselves.

You'd think that as they ran past all those parties outside the dungeon they'd warn them not to enter the dungeon.

Next_Package_57102026-01-21 20:18

So is the next episode Orhun and the three kids against the black dragon then? I'm also assuming Orhun will defeat the Dragon with his sword and abilities to show that he is stronger than the hero...

iacondios2026-01-21 20:20

Oof, even watching the whole episode at 2x speed was still rough. Such contrived and cliche cartoon villain characters.... Just when you thought they'd start to get it, nope! Back to.the same old loop of arrogance and denial