People over react to fanservice

No they don't.

They overreact to Ecchi.

People overreact to literally everything

Yeah, everyone was saying this about fire force and I was thinking to skip it, but I am so glad I gave it a chance

There's criticism and then there's moral puritanism.

There's valid critique of fan service and how it's lazy and kind of sucks. I find that a lot of people that dislike it are morally against any kind of sexuality in anime and that's where you cross into negative territory for me.

Honestly, I don't get why fan service can be put off for people.


Watching 2 first season of FireForce, and didn't even realize Tamaki is just fan service character until I went to anime subreddit...




I feel she is interesting character, and probably my favorite if Arthur doesn't exist. someone who have no actual struggle in early life, try to finding something meaningful in her life. Try hard to fulfilling expectations people toward her, just to realize she just a big fish in small pond.


It actually very refreshing, and hits home, because most of us is like that.


Her clothes off everytime just a comedy relief, and I never thought weird about it. I mean, it's just a drawing, why you feel weird about some pixels?

I think there’s a big difference between standard fanservice and soft-core porn masquerading as a show, yes i'm looking at you, "Redo of Healer". For me, it’s all about context. If a show has a solid plot and adds a bit of fanservice, who cares? But when it becomes a focal point of the anime, it definitely starts to detract from the story.

Not to sound like an 'old man yelling at clouds' here, but it does feel like mainstream studios used to be a bit more modest or at least had a better ratio of ecchi to actual substance.

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I'm trying not to read comments outside of this sub. It's just typical social media bullshit.

Finally someone said it! The knee jerk reactions to them always annoyed me

All of these people are so annoying. They go on and on about "hating" fanservice yet they interact with the mediums so much. Also, a lot of the times, these people that hate are just projecting because they end up getting exposed for being into some heavy gooner stuff, it's just them virtue signaling.

I don't mind fan service when it makes sense for the characters and story.

Nami and Robin are both excellent characters and I'll go as far as to say some of the best written in battle shonen, and I hate to see them reduced only to their fan service moments. The story of One Piece wouldn't work without either of them and their pivotal emotional moments are some of the highest highs the series has achieved so far. They are obviously not the only ones either and Oda makes it a point to create supporting female characters in each arc with distinct personalities and sees their stories through.

On the other hand, MHA fan service even as a MHA defender I understand why it's called it more because its female characters are sidelined not only in fights but story so much more. To me Toga and Ochako are still great, but that's about where my praise ends for the MHA's female cast which is a shame since a lot of them had potential.

Long story short which fan service stands out to me in a negative light when the characters themselves aren't fleshed out.

Fanservice in anime is of the same importance as random gunshots in the neighborhood at 3am to keep the rent low

> take One Piece for example, it has its fair share of fs and it can sure diminish enjoyment of it but "ruin" it? To act like all the character depth Nami and Robin went through goes out the window because of that just feels insulting to the series.

It doesn't diminish their actual character development, but Oda famously used to draw women as two circles and an X, so I totally get people being turned off by it.

MHA's problem is that all the characters are "under age" from a western perspective so people feel a little extra skeeved out by things like a naked invisible girl when she's explicitly 15/16 years old.


People definitely complain about fanservice too much, but when it appears in shounen series I get the pushback since it's aimed at a younger audience. (Like you know what you're getting yourself into if a show is tagged ecchi, but Fire Force having a girl fall out of her clothes every episode can be jarring when the recommended audience is like 14 at best)

Edit: To avoid further sketch accusations, I'm just saying MHA characters are questionably "of age" in Japan but are underage in the West where we view anyone under 18 as underage. Not saying it's suddenly a good thing that Japan views 16 year olds as adults just explaining the distinction for why a "high school" character can end up in sexualized situations in anime we'd almost never accept in the west (unless we're talking about adult actors in shows like Riverdale or Shameless, we wouldn't accept Danny Phantom having tons of fanservice lmao)

People that dislike and rant about fanservice but are fine with songs like WAP/Anaconda as well as shows such as Euphoria, Heated Rivalry, Fifty Shades of Grey (I know, it’s a movie), hardcore yaoi and etc are honestly hypocrites.

I cant take people who complain about fanservice seriously. I remember being on a message board talking about Street Fighter 5 and someone said a character was lewd because of their cleavage, but the cleavage was the tiniest little | you'd ever see. Im convinced people like this are just trolls.

Honestly I wasnt a fan of ecchi fanservice when I started watching anime, as I thought it just stole screentime from the plot. But I came around to it over time. (Wouldnt be a MahoAko fan otherwise..)

But the one thing about fanservice which is indeed a bit bad is it makes for awkward viewing with someone who isnt used to it.

Like for example, I can watch Ghibli movies with my mom, now imagine that for something like Monogatari.

Puritans go to hell though, simple as that.

i havent experienced that people try to make it into a problem for others

myself i definitely prefer none or very minimal fanservice

it also matters whether or not the fanservice is tastefully done

But don't bat an eye at the fan service in a show like Game of Thrones 🙄

I think the most exaggerated reaction I've seen was from Demon Slayer to Pillar of Love, a YouTuber dropped the anime, talking as if the character's cleavage was pure pornography.

I'm old enough to remember actual fanservice. 2010s turned young people into prudes and we have never recovered.

Prudes have definitely become a lot more vocal. The number of times I've heard a show accused of "excessive fanservice" which then turns out to mean "female characters have visible skin" has definitely increased exponentially over the last decade.

Not sure what to add but I’ll point out the example of the criticism of the first episode of Dandadan. A lot of people wrote off the entire anime from the first episode because of “fanservice”. Bro, attempted SA is NOT fanservice. If you’re incapable of distinguishing the difference between frilly, intentionally seductive scenes and a character being attacked then you have zero media literacy.

Tourist infected the anime fandom.

Its the same people crying about attractive characters in video games but will rub one out to the craziest kink on some rl shit

This has always happened.

I don’t really care for fan service in 99% of cases because it’s pointless titillation for the sake, but for a lot of newer anime fans, it’s always been something that makes it hard to justify as a medium. When they’re trying to posit it as a legitimate form of media with depth of storytelling, fan service and genres like CGDCTs are seen as contradictory to that. So people are quick to condemn it.

It also doesn’t help that anime gooners just have a bad reputation.

I remember looking at a poll posted here a while back about how echi people rated certain anime. There were a few people that had Pokémon or something rated echi and others that had Interspecies Reviewers as “mild”. Ignoring the few voting for humor, perception is relative. You see things in the context of your experiences. If someone is accustomed to traditional western animation anime seems odd. Once you get used to it you wonder how you could tell a story about high school or college age youth and not address some level of sexuality. 

Some people don't even know what fan service is

People over react to everything related to sexuality. Murder, dismemberment, torture, and worse is a-okay and children frequently consume it with only more conservative parents even lifting a brow, but a bare breast which the vast majority of infants were introduced to at birth is appalling and shocking. Even the age of consent is a subjectively determined social construct that changed many times over history across every culture. Not that I'm defending pedos I get why we have it but people drawing a hard line on the ages of fictional characters (especially in historic eras) always gives me a good laugh.

I think fan service can be fun at times when done right, but shows like Dandadan where the plot focuses too much on rape. That's where it's off-putting

Like not only does Momo get nearly raped by aliens that want to reproduce, but she also gets nearly raped in season 2 by the hot tub guys.

And then there is Akurun's balls storyline.

I don't mind nudity, sexuality, or whatever. But I think people are just tired of it being tossed into everything where it doesn't belong.

Fan service has become the cranberry juice of anime. It's in places in doesn't belong

I like seeing boobs but there is time for that and most of the time it brings nothing to the anime or the story. That why I prefer manhwa

I'm not a puritan, but there are three things I hate about fanservice: sexualisation of teenage girls, assault played off as humour, and when it's used during an inappropriate moment. Unfortunately these are very common so I avoid shows with excessive fanservice.

People have their own standards. If you like it, watch it. If you don't, then don't. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that

While most things can be handled as a matter of taste, I think it's hard for people to be nuanced and honest with themselves about what they like or dislike. Few people are good at articulating what draws them to something or put them off.


I think anime fan service as it exists is in a sorta weird place. A lot of it is low quality, problematic, or not really appropriate for the tone of a series. 


It's fine if a series is about fanservice, sexuality, or literally porn as long as it knows what it is and does it well, but a series can be dragged down by having an over abundance of tired fanservice tropes, uses it to distract from poor writing, or just does too much distracting from the core focus of what would otherwise be a good show. 


Also, there are still some problematic things in anime as regards the treatment of women. The number of possibly interesting female characters whose writing basically collapses into the black hole of fanservice or "sensitive themes explored really badly" is too damn high.


That said, acknowledging if something you like is problematic and respectfully allowing others not to enjoy it is part of maturing as a consumer. Like how liking violent video games doesn't make you a violent person, liking "bad" anime doesn't necessarily make you a bad person either. 


One shouldn't take that as an excuse to avoid exploring why and what you like about the media in the first place. A
"Do I like CoD cause I enjoy how it plays and the I enjoy action movies, or do I like CoD cause I actually believe in the vague worldview and political aesthetics of the games?" kinda thing. 

Nose bleeding to death over girls being a *real* plot point not just a terribly annoying gag is a legitimate criticism of one piece. It definitely lowered it in my standings

God yes

I personally don’t like most fanservice and feel like it detracts more than it adds. However, unless it’s massive titties bouncing or very revealing outfits on the girls I tend to just ignore it and focus on the plot

I fully understand why someone would be uncomfortable with fanservice or want to opt out of it and I respect that stance

But if i see one more “Pleeeeease no fanservice🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻” on the tamest looking trailer ever people calling every single thing a Gooner anime im going to lose it. People were calling the bleeding Flower Blooms with Dignity anime a Gooner anime. I saw people bitchign about fanservice in Apothecary Diaries, in Frieran, and tons of the tamest stuff imaginable, and they’re so loud an annoying about it

Just go watch something else, damn

I really enjoy ecchi and fan service. Done well it I feel like it adds value to the show. I could honestly go onto an entire rant about this topic.

I think the problem alot of people have is the fact that most anime characters are underage. Only a pedo could enjoy looking up a high school girls skirt. In the US we are so afraid of pedophiles that even talking to minors is seen as disgusting by a fairly large amount of people. So it makes some sense to me as to why any form of sexualization of a minor even if fictional is demonized.

So why are some people more ok with fan service than others? If I had to guess I think it comes down to a few things. Most importantly the ability to suspend disbelief. Alot of people tend to place their morals and real world logic into works of fiction (not just anime). I would guess another part of the issue is how old you were when you started watching anime in the first place. If you got into anime as a teenager, fan service often seems playful rather than inherently sexual.

I have 1000 more things I would love to say about the topic but ill leave it at this.

I don’t like fanservice because it makes me realize half the fanbase and half the writers at least are gooner basement dwellers. Oda for example is an absolute weirdo even if he’s a good guy overall.

Also im all for sexy women but please don’t just make them have balloon boobs and fight in lingerie. Like do women in movies have that? No but i’m guessing you still think Ana de Armas is incredibly good looking and feminine.

Still i can bite the bullet if they just nuke the Loli and schoolgirl shit. That shit needs to be done.

The core problem tho is fan service is NOT hot girls but overly sexualizing situations or characters. Like sexy women doing something is not the same as fanservice where a characters entire thing IS that she’s sexy

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It’s because conservative is now the mainstream culture in the U.S. instead of being a sub culture. So most people react to art these days through a conservative lends. Which really dulls down everything especially discourse.

Anime has become much more tame to what it used to show. Anime tourists are overreacting.

Fan service barely even registers to me anymore unless it's something excessively weird or out of place like the bathroom fetish scenes in that one anime where the old magic dude reincarnates as a girl in a game or something (title was a word salad about a wise man's pupil).


I really don't understand why fan service Puritans and sub elitists bother commenting, just shut up and enjoy whatever you want to watch and let others do the same. I'm sorry you can't enjoy some otherwise good shows because of a 2 second pan to boobs but that's a you problem.

I just get very confused when an anime tries to turn me on in the middle of a serious moment. I have access to porn, I don’t need it in the middle of a character crying about the loss of parental figure.

It just screams insecurity to me for those who bitch about it

Yeah basically. People just got to realize they aren't the target audience if they don't like it, and that it wasn't made for them. Either find a different one if it bothers enough for a verbal or text based reaction online, or just accept the flaws like any rational person watching.

Don't bully me miss Nagatoro. The first few chapters are kinda wild, but around chapter 6 it mellows out really hard and is just really wholesome, yet people run around screaming that it's BDSM/whatever.

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Such is tourist mentality. Some people want to be part of the anime community, but not that one, or that one. Shut down that one because I don't like it. That one too.

These people are so damn annoying. What happened to “if you don’t like it, don’t watch it”? It’s always “I don’t like it so it shouldn’t exist!” with this people.

A good amount of people are prudes, people forget that shonen audiences are meant to appeal to teenage japanese boys, teenagers who would like seeing conventionally attractive women and apart of a culture that isn't as opposed to sexual themes as the west.

I am in the camp that it's lazy sometimes, it almost feels insulting, like they think I'm stupid enough to enjoy a bad show just because you flash some titties in my face. I enjoy some sexualization, hell, I enjoy **a lot** of it, but some of them are just lame.

Nami and Robin didn't go out of the window due to sexualization, they went out of the window because they were reduced to memes of their older selves, especially Robin, who used to be a stronger fighter when she joined. The sexualization increased in the timeskip but its just tacked on, the problem would exist even if they were not turned into sex dolls. I used to be a huge robin fan pre time-skip but one piece simply shifted into having different side characters be more important.

Culture difference.In west if they make sexy girl game character feminists bash entire community who likes it.

In Asia female employes design those sexy game characters.

So true

I always find it kinda interesting how so much of Reddit just comes off as no interest in sex at all. Fan service in anime, revealing armor in video games, sex scenes in movies most subs just seem to hate it all. People used to enjoy some good sex appeal. There’s a reason we’ve got the phrase sex sells. Reddit just comes off as entirely asexual sometimes though.

Fanservice is subjective and I hate people who think fanservice = Boobs and Ass

100% emphatically agreed.

In some cases I find it can augment something and add a little extra spice if I find the particular character in question attractive/visually appealing and it's not too disruptive to the main narrative throughline.

In others, either due to the way it's done or the characters involved or how much it's used, I find it uninteresting so would rather the runtime spent occupied on it be utilized for something I find more enticing writing-wise. Especially since while there are a small handful I like or love, generally speaking ecchi, harem, reverse harem, yaoi, yuri, and hentai are some of my least favorite genres/subgenres in anime.

And in others yet still I'm basically completely neutral on it and don't have a strong opinion either way because I feel like it doesn't occupy much of the percentage of runtime to begin with to warrant caring about it any more than any other nonessential action or dialogue? This third option is probably the majority of cases.

But there is a disturbing rise of prudishness, neo-Puritanism, and just in general very aggressive and super judgmental crusader-esque moralism on everything related to sexual affairs, in art and media and in general, which to me feels like a somewhat recent specifically Western post-early or mid-2010s Gen Z thing and strongly represented and pushed on spaces on the internet like this.

It feels like things were going in a much more positive and preferable direction in that regard from like the late 1960s/early 70s - 2000s/early 2010s, and now it's been going this horrible way recently. But they can voice their opinions as passionately and repeatedly as possible - They still cannot control what everyone else chooses either to artistically produce or to watch and consume.

In Japan parents are responsible for their children. Society blames PARENTS if their child acts badly or something.

In the west we blame MEDIA. We blame VIDEO GAMES, MUSIC, TV, MOVIES.. anything else BUT the parent.

This is why in the west we see that removing anything questionable from media as "bad influence" for anyone under 18 must be done...

Maybe we should learn to blame the parents a bit more and make them RESPONSIBLE for their child's upbringing...

Anything with less skin than Chuck (2007) is low on my skimpometer. 

Facts

There is a difference between "sexy" and "sexual", and the vast majority of fan service falls into that second category.

There's plenty of shows out there that are going for that vibe, and to each their own; but it's so frustrating when your want to recommend a show WELL outside that wheelhouse and have to ask yourself "Is there anything weird or lecherous that in that I should have to warn them about?"

I mean seriously, good luck finding a show that doesn't feature at least one visual gag about breasts, panties, or sexual battery. Even *Frieren*, which is VERY MUCH not a fan service show has a few sprinkled in.

I remember recommending someone to watch 11eyes and they came back mad at me cuz one screen basically plays out like a western movie that pretends to show 2 people having sex

Syfm fn

Tamaki completely ruins fire force dropped the show cause of her.

Tbh, I think it's more the opposite. Most of the anime community underreacts because they've grown numb to it. I say this as someone who has also grown numb to it and begrudgingly accepts that it'll exist and continue to exist no matter my feelings on the matter. And there's a lot of anime I really love that have a lot of ecchi stuff in it, like Sono Bisque, though honestly it's usually in spite of, not because of. But people really don't notice how much tiny little fan service scenes are in anime all the time that just don't even register anymore to veterans.

Obviously you can't really define "necessary" when it comes to art, so I won't say anything like "I hate unnecessary fan service" because what even makes something in art "necessary"? It's a nebulous requirement. That being said, I've only grown more cynical to it over the years as I see it more and more, especially when I read something as a Manga first. You would not believe how often something gets "enhanced" in anime adaptations just to add anime original fan service or to make existing fan service even more....fan servicey. It makes me cynical because I know they're only doing it for *those* types who can only consume media that activates the gooner side of their brain. The types that look up rule 34 before they decide whether to watch an anime or play a game and then will go and spend $300 on a bunny girl figurine of their anime girl.

Like sure, it's capitalism. Sex sells and obviously they're going to cater to the guy dropping hundreds on figurines vs me who maybe buys the Manga volumes, but probably won't. But I respect the anime/manga that don't fall prey to that demographic. For instance, this season Ikkoku Nikki (Journal with Witch) is airing. Could you imagine how much worse that show would be if it had random fan service scenes or if they sold halloween nurse costume figurines of Makio or Asa? I shudder to think about it and I hope nobody breaks my reality by showing it actually exists.

Tbh, I think the main reasons I don't like it 90% of the time is because it's usually just either a) sexualized teenagers or b) it's not even hot. It's dumb shit like "lucky pervert" moments or annoying characters like Mineta from MHA or that old guy from Ranma 1/2. They always try to have their cake and eat it too by making fun of the fan service they're happily indulging in. If you're going to give me fan service, actually make it hot or sexy (and maybe don't make them 15 y.o.). Stop with this "oh no I fell and he grabbed my breast while catching me" or "I don't lock doors in my house yet I get mad when he walks in while I'm changing". Give me scenes of characters actually trying to seduce each other or something. When I think of all the scenes I like that do have it whether it's in western media or anime, it's never this lucky pervert shit. It's always shit that's actually hot or seductive and isn't thrown in *just* for the audience's indulgence.

Nah, it's just the vocal minority complaining about everything. Countless series that includes fan service with a really good story, characters, and etc is why they make a lot of money today especially with Anime/Manga.

people and companies always overreact about sexual stuff

you can see people doesn't mind killing in anime\games and find it as cool thing

but when it's come to erotic the things turn into illegal or not

I love ecchi and fan service 🤷🏻‍♂️

I started to watch anime a year ago and I’ve found reading on the subject that this is a controversial characteristic of anime. So I wanted to see by myself what all the fuss is about, and started My dress up darling.

I don’t see where the problem is, I liked the first season a lot. It’s wholesome as fuck. Most of the ecchi is used as comedy and, sure, some time it drags, like the measuring episode. I didn’t need like five minutes of Gojo on the verge of exploding, it gets old pretty quickly. I’ve found the same on other shows, like Food wars. The joke ceases to be funny. But didn’t find anything morally reprehensible.

The thing is, I dont get off on cartoons (never understood the appeal of shit like hentai), but i don’t find ecchi outrageous either. Because of that, many times fanservice goes over my head. Or maybe I’m desensitized, you have to watch the shit we have in prime time here in South America.

I think most of the controversy comes from american puritanism. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a hater, you have a lot of things going on, but puritanism is certainly not your most likable characteristic. Nipples can’t hurt you.

What really rubs me in the wrong way is when those puritan takes get hold in other cultures like mine. You have fuckers here complaining about ecchi in anime, reproducing discourses they find online (because it seems they can't think by themselves), while consuming really outrageous national shit. And I mean almost criminal content.

Okay but we can agree the "fanservice" in Assassination Classroom is dogshit, right?

Like, I love fanservice and agree with this post 100% but AssClass polevaulted over the fucking line

Gen alpha has become weirdly puritanical over some things

I'm watching anime during my lunch break.

fan service shows up. I might get fired

I read somewhere that most 1st episodes of anime will add “a bit of everything” (including fan service) to get as many people interested in the show as possible before settling into the “real” story in the following episodes.

Idk if that’s true, but I do notice a lot of fan service does drop off midway through the story.

its honestly annoying seeing comments complaining about 10 seconds of fan service… i saw it all the time when let this grieving soul retire was airing.

every other episode had like 30 seconds max of fan service and that was enough for people to say the anime was shit and not worth watching.

I don't know how these people watch anime man.

What's even more annoying is the fact they don't watch anything that would be a no fan service safe pick like Laid Back Camp or Super Cub. 

While the religious right has always viewed anime this way, at some point the online feminist movement became prudish anytime any amount of skin was shown, for a male audience, because male gaze bad. Now we get puritans from both sides and it will never not be annoying. Puritans are incredibly annoying cause one of the great things about anime is there are genres for everyone. My fear going forward is as anime becomes mainstream they’ll right story adaptations like western tv shows where they try to appeal to every demographic, with an emphasis on skin deep progressive virtue signaling, to the point where adaptions of believed works become propagandistic slop.

I think part of it is American prudishness. There's still quite a bit of residue from the Puritan era. There's such a strange association with nudity and sexually that you might almost expect a Karen to clutch a pearl if a girl revealed an ankle or went dancing without parental approval.

Then on top of this you have the TicTokXitter reaction crowd that are all in training to one day graduate and be Schoolboard and HOA busybody Karens themselves.

But yeah, it gets absurd. Sometimes I think they'd melt down while walking through an art museum. Like "omg Hieronymus Bosch is so creepy how has this not been cancelled yet? Buncha Diddy pervert art patrons looking at that shit."

They should watch Yosuga no Sora or something to get it out of their system. Maybe the narratively-relevant stuff in things like Dandadan won't seem so bad anymore.

IMHO it only became tiring because those who are like as u've described are the louder kind of consumers, those who really enjoy or are used to anime fanservice just don't gaf about talking about "fanservice", because they're busy enjoying a good anime and not caring about whether a show has this or that.

I can only think of one thing reading this thread,

The 50s called, they want the Hays Code back.

One of my favorite examples of someone complaining about fanservice in a series was someone trying to explain that Prison School would be a lot better if it didn't focus in fan service.

They then told me I was arguing in bad faith, when I asked him if a battle shonen would be better if they didn't focus so heavily on in the fights?

It's the modern mentality. Rather than look at things individually and objectively, it's always this topic is currently considered bad so every instance of it is the product of the devil.

Honestly, never particularly minded fanservice. Like I'm not gonna actively seek out shows that have it, but who's gonna complain about seeing boobs??

Honestly? I get why people don't like it as it often contributes nothing to the progression to the plot.

but, I also think that people seriously overreact when it comes to stuff like this, especially if the work in question is intended to cater to otaku. like, you don't complain about an action movie having ''too much violence'' now, would you? because it's just the part of the genre. so, why be upset about the presence of fanservice in ecchi anime when it's just part of the genre? it just might not be your cup of tea.

It's fine to criticize, but if you actively pressure creators to stop creating things you don't personally like because it doesn't allign with your moral views, then you're part of the problem.

People (younger crowd, and covid fans mostly) are just overly prudish. Even more annoying is that they won't just fuck off and stop whining about fanservice in every thread.

I do have to say...

what you've described is at least progress. Back in the day there was a non-insignificant amount of people who assumed all anime was gross degen stuff and liking it meant you were probably jerking it to loli hentai.

I will say that I'm not a huge fan of 90% of the types of ecchi fan service, but I'm not some moral puritan that thinks its bad no matter what the context is. I just think it's often used as a crutch for bad writing and *that* is where I take issue with it.

Generally, yeah, if anyone gets worked up about fanservice then they are just wasting their own energy. If you don't enjoy it, that's fine, but there's no reason to get *angry* about it, or to be critical of a show that you otherwise wouldn't even notice. Generally, fanservice is at worst just goofy and distracting, nothing more.

I can go either way when it comes to fan service, but it’s ridiculous to police what other people enjoy. So what if people goon to the anime boobs? I get the ick when it’s like, insane loli shit, but then I just DON’T watch it.

I honestly wish we had a lot more fan service than we have today.
you all are just gay

lots of online English language discourse is made by Americans. Lots of Americans have puritan-adjacent views on sexuality, more so in Gen-Z circles than in Milennials. There's also a tendency to exaggerate stuff or call out "problematic" content too, even if one does not see themselves as a puritan.

my reaction to fanservice depends much more on whether it feels out of place and like a detriment to the story and atmosphere rather than how sexual and explicit it actually is.

silly boob physics, lewd angles, "accidental" groping, or even just straight up tits flying out of a shirt are no big deal in something like keijo or interspecies reviewers.
but imagine if something like Your lie in April or Violet Evergarden was filled with "rather tame" panty shots or thigh close-ups every two conversations that don't even fit or support the dialogue and the atmosphere at all.

its a new very cringe wave of "fans" that don't actually like much of anything in anime

Western people*

My ex boyfriend never let me watch My Dress-Up Darling because of the "fan service," but I'm in a much better relationship now, finally watched it, and it's so wholesome and cute !! I loved it for the good messages (it's actually encouraged me to lean into my creative hobbies) and the sweet interaction. I hate prejudice against fan service !!

Yes the same thing happened to D&D and video games. A hobby exists, gets popular, new "fans" come in and decide it's not PC enough and needs to be changed.


You can see where its taking hold already. Any anime produced by Netflix already tones fanservice down.

It’s gotten really bad. I saw someone saying Jujitsu Kaisen has fan service and then it was just some lady whose character is sensual laying in bed. Most of what people call fanservice if they saw in any other show would just be nothing. But because it’s animated they call it fanservice.

There is also a complete lack of understanding irony in the community. Take something like Evangelion which uses nudity of all its characters to express vulnerability, intense depression and emotional states in the last few episodes. The Misato preview voice at the end will say “look forward to fanservice” as an incredibly cynical, ironic and basically a jab at the audience. But you will still see modern fans refer to Asuka’s emaciated brink of death nude body in a bathtub as fanservice instead of a character at the end of their rope, which again if it was in a show like Euphoria no one would say was titillating at all.

It’s part of a larger problem of modern audiences not understanding inference, metaphors or subtlety. Everything needs to be spelled out.

Agreed, besides fanservice is literally dead no anime these days seem to have it

Very very true. People can be so prudish nowadays. I get fanservice isn't for everyone, but to make it seem that it's entirely unnecessarily or get upset when a female character has a noticeable bust as 'goner material' is just crazy.

People complain about Momo Yaoyozuru's outfit from MHA because it's 'unnecessarily skimpy'. Even though there are reasons for why it does show off so much skin and Momo herself is okay with it. I do get the problems of having a minor dressed like that, which I get, but I do feel at times Momo could be in her 30s dressed like that and people would still complain about it.

The biggest beef i have against those people is not knowing what the word fan service mean even.