Honestly, not that bad. It's much, much, *much* worse in the West
Miffernator2026-01-24 09:04
It’s bad regardless
gereffi2026-01-24 11:34
I seriously doubt that. You think that most people who work in a creative field, that’s any kind of art of design, have noticed their income fall? The vast majority are employed and would not have any reason to notice this.
And what? You think that more tha 1 out of 10 creatives in the west also are youtubers?
wesleymess2026-01-24 08:26
Can AI kindly die quicker?
Ponczo1232026-01-24 08:37
Didn't you heard that one of the most popular Japanese Manga currently is made of AI. Let's be honest Japanese people love slop if they didn't we wouldn't see so many trash isekai/kicked out of party/my skill-class was secretly OP slop. As much as I hate AI I know it will thrive because current culture are designed to be slop consumers
PM_me_Henrika2026-01-24 08:44
Which one
Ponczo1232026-01-24 08:51
My Dear Wife, Will You Be My Lover?
272b2026-01-24 10:27
I've never even heard of it. "One of the most popular Japanese Manga" my foot.
ss1d_2026-01-24 09:15
That’s simply because it’s free. Did you even see the reviews?
I’ve also recently seen Japanese people retweeting tweets about the recent news on South Korea implementing new ai regulations, saying things like “Japan should do the same”. Don’t even get me started on how OpenAI is losing tons of money and is predicted to lose even more without funding in the next few years. Starting to feel like Gen AI is a perfect example of sunk cost.
Sa4042026-01-24 08:57
It’s only alive because of companies burning money to keep it running. They are desperate for replacing all their employees
TheMireAngel2026-01-24 09:43
Main is is the us federal govt, the trump admin in just 2025 dumped over 7 trillion inti ai .-. Seriously google is, 7 is the lowball btw the trump admin claims over 11 trill
whathell6t2026-01-24 10:34
All the more reason to use [**Nepenthes Tarspin**](https://youtu.be/vC2mlCtuJiU?si=BrXl5CIbBUM5dFjf) to stop A.I.
flybypost2026-01-24 11:35
As much as I hate Trump and what he's done to the world, this is not really about him.
This has been a thing since the 2008 recession. In short: It gave Silicon Valley investors way more "free money" so to speak, and at a time when that industry had gotten more professionalised (more about money than innovation) on top of that.
It was them who propped up cryptocurrencies until they could make a profit at the cost of "regular investors". Same with NFTs when they needed a new way to use all that "free money", and it's repeating with LLM based AIs.
The one difference is that those AIs could have *some* use in some instances (they are kinda good at pattern recognition that might escape humans) but the amount of money shovelled into the ever-hungry maw of AI companies seems orders of magnitude higher (which would also necessitate enormous profits to satisfy Silicon Valley investors).
That are companies that have made no profit for a long time (longer than most SV investments) while the product hasn't exactly gotten cheaper (or scaled in any positive way to a significant degree) and where they are still advocating for, and building more, data centres with money they still don't have (increasing their future liabilities immensely).
Falsus2026-01-24 17:04
Yeah unlike NFT which is completely useless and Crypto that is pretty much always going to be kept alive by speculators AI won't go away when the bubble bursts. It will just mostly die and probably take a lot of companies down with the bubble bursting, eventually we will get AI good enough to translate stuff for us, in like 10 years or so if the bubble bursts before 2026 and development speed goes back to pre-bubble speeds.
In that way it will be closer to the dot com bubble than NFTs or Crypto despite it being the same greedy morons driving AI investments as those two things.
And I guess a lot of non-USA countries are currently a bit iffy on making American investment doesn't exactly help those big American tech companies either (kinda insane how they aren't more anti-Trump considering Trump is pretty much killing their golden goose).
flybypost2026-01-24 17:14
> eventually we will get AI good enough to translate stuff for us
From what I remember LLM are rather good at doing that (from how they work) and we got stuff like deepl.com which, I think, is an LLM based translation tool that was trained on in-house language work (it's a spin off or sister company of https://www.linguee.com/).
> And I guess a lot of non-USA countries are currently a bit iffy on making American investment doesn't exactly help those big American tech companies either (kinda insane how they aren't more anti-Trump considering Trump is pretty much killing their golden goose).
Yup, the EU is slowly (which is rather quick for our EU bureaucracy) trying to divest itself from US tech corporations. By now Linux is good enough for the type of office work they need, and a lot of simpler office work can also be web/browser based these days too.
And I'm 100% on the tech firm situation in regard to Trump. They were rolling over without a fight, or rather way before there was even a fight to be anticipated. Just going for some easy [IBM medal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust) or something :/
TastyOreoFriend2026-01-25 05:15
> By now Linux is good enough for the type of office work they need, and a lot of simpler office work can also be web/browser based these days too.
They've been saying things like this for years. Same for the Linux Gaming Community. I'll believe it when I see it. It was the same deal with Google Docs and open office et al.
flybypost2026-01-25 09:52
> They've been saying things like this for years.
That's partly true but a big part can be attributed to the problem that caused Intel's chip dominance: Politics, bribes, and misguided incentives.
AMD had better chips for quite a while but nobody switched from Intel because they simply "bribed" a lot of stakeholders. The city of Munich switched to [their own Linux version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux) but then switched back to Windows for dubious reasons:
> In 2018, journalistic group Investigate Europe released a video documentary via German public television network ARD that claimed that the majority of city workers were satisfied with the operating system, with council members insinuating that **the reversal was a personally motivated decision by mayor Dieter Reiter. Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich.**
The biggest issue standing in the way of such a switch is usually entrenched powers that benefit (financially) from the status quo.
frzned2026-01-26 01:26
LLMs is okay at written translation for shit like contracts (still read it carefully because contracts)
It is terrible at any form of translation you are most likely to engage in: spoken, manga, anime, youtube videos, novels, news, etc.
Just browse any youtube video with autodubbed turned on and you would see how fucking horrible it is.
Spoken mainly from japanese - english. Idk about other languages. Maybe it is good with spanish?
flybypost2026-01-26 06:35
Yeah, they are can sound correct while being wrong, or hit a certain context when it just falls apart. But technically they should be good at pattern matching that makes something feel authentic.
I mainly use deepl.com to translate longer texts (essentially for comments in /r/soccer mostly ) from English to German (or the other way around) because I'm too lazy to type it all out but then I go through it because I don't trust it to be correct just because it sounds correct.
frzned2026-01-26 06:58
I think german/spanish/european language should be fine-ish since they have the same roots
Touching any asian language and it falls apart.
dragonbeorn2026-01-24 09:59
It’s only gonna get better and make more jobs obsolete.
Warlaw2026-01-24 12:38
Correct. Nothing is going to happen to AI. Every AI company could go out of business tomorrow and the models will still be everywhere. And even then other companies would swoop in and continue training them.
This is reality now.
We have to accept it and start planning for it. Focus conversations about the future of AI on income. How will most people make ends meet in the next twenty years? How will they afford food with no income when automation replaces all jobs? Just calmly keep asking income questions.
Spread the idea of asking income questions to other people so they can ask those questions to others still. Become a virus that no billionaire egomaniac campaign can cure.
There will be a moment when the emotional reality of what AI really is collides with the intellectual reality. That will be the critical point in which serious, permanent government policy will begin to take shape. If there are millions of people asking simple income questions everyday, that will score the drafters of those policies.
"If I pass light automation laws and the entire population starts to starve to death because they have no longer have income, the people will blame me and come after me. I should probably force billionaires to fall in line, regardless of how much they pay me."
bassa-m9ss2026-01-24 14:15
Isn't that suppose to be a trend? Like nfts?
Camoral2026-01-24 15:30
Being "blamed" matters so much less than you can imagine to the US legislature. They're great at convincing themselves that they have no power and don't really care always, so long as they get paid. Consider the pointless fucking catastrophe that was the invasion of Iraq, the people it killed, and how nobody ever even went to jail over it. They think there's no possible repercussion for their actions, and over the history of the US, they're basically right. From Watergate to the Contras to the people who *literally joined the Confederacy*, it's just outside the norms of American politics to do anything worse to our electeds than make pouty faces at them.
As for the idea that the models will keep getting better and better, I'm not convinced. The speed at which they improve is dropping *fast* despite multiplication increased funding year by year. The amount of data you need to work with to improve them is so astronomical that it simply cannot be collected off of the current internet. They're still burning astronomical amounts of money and their revenue isn't increasing fast enough to *ever* catch up, especially given that the relentless media campaign they run means there's very few people who simply haven't heard of their services. It's impossible to get around the fact that LLMs are simply poorly suited to many, even *most* of the tasks that people want from them. The technology might remain, but investor interest will not.
Warlaw2026-01-25 04:17
AlphaFold 2 won the 2024 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for predicting 200 million protein structures. AI models keep improving. The line-all the lines-showing AI capability keep going up. The capabilities of AI keep advancing across benchmarks in reasoning, coding, total understanding, everything.
You, and everyone ignoring this, do so at your own peril.
The models are still improving. They will continue to do so.
If you don't believe me, see predictions by non-profit forecasters. See https://ai-2027.com/ written, in part, by Daniel Kokotajlo. Daniel Kokotajlo, who left OpenAI and forfeited approximately $2 million in equity by refusing to sign a non-disparagement agreement. All that to help give everyone detailed forecast of what might happen.
gsurfer042026-01-24 19:14
My industry, computational chemistry, would have stagnated without machine learning. You literally cannot make accurate models that work quickly without it.
I_Phantomancer_XD2026-01-24 10:14
No.
whathell6t2026-01-24 10:33
Actually! You can.
You were supposed be use [**Nepenthes Tarspin**](https://youtu.be/vC2mlCtuJiU?si=BrXl5CIbBUM5dFjf) to fight A.I.
I_Phantomancer_XD2026-01-24 10:41
I think you're replying to the wrong person.
detarameReddit2026-01-24 11:31
The sad thing is, we live in a world where:
* If AI doesn't die, AI funnels money into its owners at the expense of the poor, inequality will get worse, and life will be awful.
* If AI does die, the exorbitant amount of money already invested to push AI up means a completely inavertible economic crisis will almost certainly happen, as the AI boulder crushes everything in its path on its way down. Again, inequality will get worse, and life will be awful.
All of this could have been avoided if rich people weren't greedy, and the average person took a more hardline stance. In other words, this was never really avoidable...
Riskybusiness6222026-01-24 18:58
Ai is 25% of the US economy now its not going anywhere.
Fusifufu2026-01-24 14:14
Unlike what Reddit generally believes, it is unfortunately genuinely useful and powerful. So we have to contend with that reality. I find it so weird that there are so many good ways you can criticize and discuss the deployment of AI, but some significant fraction of the critics have converged on the baseless claim that it is not useful and will die out soon.
With Anime in particular, I see no way it won't disrupt the industry, given the economic incentives. The studios can swear up and down that they won't use it, but I doubt that will be long lasting. Though I guess there is the possibility that they form a guild-like cartel where they enforce "organically" created works. Though given the working conditions and low salaries so far, I doubt that they care much about such integrity.
They won't have to literally replace jobs. Just once artist suddenly being able to do the work of two is enough for disruption.
fellhand2026-01-24 16:47
Yeah, AI, like all automation in our past, is overall making our lives better.
And like all automations in the past it is disruptive. We aren't running out of things people can do to be productive in society. For every job no longer needed due to AI, we as a society and a larger economy will be able to create new jobs we still need people to do.
And if we ever do reach the point where society is so automated that we genuinely don't need a lot of people working, that is a fairly good problem for society to have and a sign of great progress.
For stuff like artists and writers, AI is going to allow us to generate mediocre art and writing fairly easily, while allowing more talented artists and writers to leverage AI to improve the quality and quantity of what they can produce.
But I don't see AI replacing high quality writing and art. We will still have artists and writers for that, but the bar for being a professional creative type is going to be higher and we are going to have fewer of them. If an AI can easily produce equivalent quality writing, art, or whatever other creative content you produce, then you aren't currently good enough to do that professionally in the current economy.
shostri2026-01-24 17:21
It's really quite easy to see that this leads to a much worse outcome for society over time.
jwp19872026-01-24 19:53
To be honest, I disagree with this take.
AI isn't like automation of the past, it's non-deterministic, unpredictable and more likely to generate mistakes that go unnoticed when used by inexperienced people.
For artists and writers, I think a lot of good work will end up being harder to discover and be buried under mountains of AI generated rubbish. As much as I hate marketing, having people discover your content in the first place seems like a tough battle.
I don't entirely hate AI, it has a lot of ways it can be used well (e.g. analysing large data sets, improving productivity and prototyping) but the way it's going to end up mostly being used to churn out rubbish and spam makes me wish it didn't exist.
flybypost2026-01-24 20:11
> Yeah, AI, like all automation in our past, is overall making our lives better.
Automation in the past delivered a consistent result. That's why it's automation and not "random-mation".
LLM based AI is, very simplified, an extremely huge autocomplete, not a system that's focused on replicable results. That's the core of it and why it can't really change, can't become AGI (like what AI company CEOs imagine), can't answer some simple questions for weird reasons, or can't calculate correctly (without being heavy tweaking into "becoming a real calculator" and not an LLM based AI).
LLMs don't know facts, they just make statistical bets on tiny pieces (from the large model they were trained on) of data that seems to correlate with other pieces and put them next to each other. In essence a massively huge rube goldberg [if-then-else](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_\(computer_programming\)#If-then-else_statement) machine (with some percentages stapled on top of it to give it variety).
It has some fields where its powerful pattern recognition has benefits (like making translations *sound* more correct without necessarily *being* correct) but it's not really comparable to traditional automation that's based on repeatable results.
Riskybusiness6222026-01-24 18:58
It’s more alive and prevalent every day. So no.
GAPIntoTheGame2026-01-24 22:07
Did the internet die after the dot com bubble in the year 2000?
Lodju2026-01-24 08:43
On another sub someone got super pissy at me yesterday when i pointed out that their post could not be categorized as fanart when it was AI generated.
Then complained something about how so many say the same thing seemingly not realizing that people often dislike AI generated images especially when it is tried to pass as something they "themselves created"
eetsumkaus2026-01-24 08:47
Self-reports, so it would be prudent to aggregate this with other similar studies and see if there's a baseline percentage of laying the blame at AI's feet when other causes were at play, like offshoring and general economic slowdown. Everyone, including corporations, is blaming AI for economic changes, so it's hard to believe that that number is 0.
Nachttalk2026-01-24 10:38
Most people pushing for Ai do so because they see it as an easy source of income.
The arguments given to justify its usage always fall flat if think more than 30 seconds about it.
There have been painters without limbs, people that got successful drawing literal stickmen, people who managed to become great at drawing using nothing more than a pencil and paper.
But all of those have one thing in common: they got there by spending a lot of time doing what they enjoy.
If your objective is money, you can't afford to spend so much time learning the craft, that's when all the BS justifications like "democratizing Art" come in to make it look like you're arguing for a greater good, when in reality it's greed.
Iz__n2026-01-24 12:51
Another thing that people seem to miss is, corporate really pushing for AI not because of its potential greatness or its necessary better than humans, but because of the potential cost saving it promised in the long run.
Humans talent are expensive, the allure to displace people with a soulless machine insusceptible to fatigue and cheap is huge. Its no coincidence the biggest push in "AI" is in operational work and creative. Both area that are expensive and recurring.
Yeah, its greed
Ginzeen982026-01-24 13:09
It's both. Cost saving and greed. AI will speed up development very fast in the future. Waiting years for a new season to drop for your favorite anime will be a thing of the past
Iz__n2026-01-24 14:12
>Waiting years for a new season to drop for your favorite anime
I'm sorry, but this is very tone deaf clearly shows a lack of understanding how anime studios work.
1. The bottle neck of anime is often the creative process, not producing the frame by frame itself. Yeah sure, gen AI can spit out a frame faster, but what's the point if the episode overall is all over the place and for lack of better word, Sloppy
2. Belive it or not, most if not all amazing sakuga in anime is not because the studio had extra budget, but because they manage to gather amazing talent in one room and produce such masterpiece.
3. Faster? Yes and no. Can you see me straight in the eye and say stuff like AI chatbot is better and faster than human?
Darigaaz42026-01-24 14:35
1. No, most anime creative process it’s already done in manga.
2. Both, you need a good studio and unlimited budget.
3. Chatbots spew average, but average it’s useful when guided.
QuackSomeEmma2026-01-24 14:59
You underestimate the transformative endeavour that is an adaptation. If it was all done in manga what's stopping studios from taking those frames, interpolating and voicing them and calling it a day? There are very few manga for which this might work
Knuckleheaded-beardo2026-01-25 06:16
This seemingly may replace the MS PowerPoint slideshow animes but the quality may still be subpar just like those lazy slideshows.
Darigaaz42026-01-30 06:38
not discussing the endeavor or process just creation... creativity...novelty etc
a good adaptation fills the manga frames with good animation pacing.
Iz__n2026-01-24 15:10
1. Even if that's true, how about LN? What you gonna say the cover the creative process?
2. No, a studio is only as good as it's talent. One Punchman S1 is amazing not because it's madhouse, but the talent that works on it that madhouse manages to gather. Unlimited budget is unrealistic to begin with. Sure you can throw money all you want but an average joe wont be able to draw like Kishimoto just because you gave them 10k
3. LMAOOOOOO, no. Ah yes, let's talk in a circle until AI chatbot gives up and escalates to people anyway. Surely that is more efficient than just human in the first place. Oh no, that's expensive, we don't want to pay human wages.
Darigaaz42026-01-30 06:47
1. it gives you the most important point a story.
2. just throw 10k at kishimoto then
[3.AI](http://3.AI) its to big to not change the game adapt overcome etc...
RPO7772026-01-27 19:46
The key limitation in developpng anime currently is the need for what are called "Key Animators"
Among people who are doing the actual drawing, you have
* Character designer (usually 1-2 people per series)
* Draws the designs for the characters at various angles and in charge of directing edits and changes to rough drafts to ensure consistency of character models in animation
* Background Artist (usually 1 person)
* Draws the background backdrops that are used directly, or referenced by key/motion animators to draw scenes. Directs background artwork to ensure consistency.
* Key Animators (varies but anywhere from 15-60+ per series)
* Relies on character designs to draw "Key" frames which represent every 4-6 seconds to show how the scene plays out.
* Motion animators (many)
* Draws the frames that connect the key frames, based on referencing the key frames
To the extent that AI is expected to assist in the animation process, the ONLY part of animation people seriously think it's capable of doing the work is the Motion Animation part of it, and even then with SIGNIFICANT issues with human editing to assist in the process. Or generating backgrounds. MAYBE adding effects animations, like explosions, water splashes, etc.
But the reason anime takes a long time is largely driven by the lack of quality Key Animators and the difficulty in coordinating and drawing the volume of art necessary for Key Animation, which virtually nobody (that has any expertise in this field) is suggesting can be replaced by AI, even by those most optimistic about what AI could do for anime production.
Darigaaz42026-01-30 06:52
genie world model dropped today, it can generate Anime, its bland and not a product more like a test of what's to come.
i totally get that current direction and taste it's not there yet but claiming that algorithms are bad at logistics its no good.
RPO7772026-01-30 06:57
As a guy that works in the legal field, I work with AI models a lot. Not in image generation or video generation, but in data analysis and language models and such.
So video generation models are largely out of my expertise.
But at least insofar as my experience with AI models as applied to my line of work, I find that tech vendors talk way bigger a game than what they are capable of accomplishing.
Count me as highly *highly* skeptical AI will be able to replace human artists at least, not for another 20 years.
Scared_Living31832026-01-24 23:54
Have you seen the shit generative ai spews out? It can barely help in storyboarding and that too not for the real high quality or even decent episodes because those have the said animators vision to make it good. Working with ai would take double the time and a worse product as of now
Ginzeen982026-01-25 03:44
AI gets better every year. The problems you see won't be a problem in a few years.
Scared_Living31832026-01-25 13:35
It's a problem with how ai works at a fundamental and I doubt there's gonna he a breakthrough in that
Ginzeen982026-01-25 13:37
no their is no fundamental unsolved problem. it just needs more dev time. AI animation will be the norm in a few years.
Scared_Living31832026-01-25 13:40
Ai uses the animation already existing and either traces over them or just copy pastes them. Which isn't gonna help with the animation, at least if someone is trying to make good stuff and not kass produced garbage
Ginzeen982026-01-25 13:41
no lol. That's not how it works. I see now that you're very causal in your understanding of ai animation.
Scared_Living31832026-01-25 13:43
That is how generative works
Fusifufu2026-01-24 14:21
Can you elaborate on your point a bit? I can see what you mean, but it seems not exactly related to what is the article discusses. Yes, it is true that creating art as a human expression will remain a thing obviously, but the article is exactly about the financial aspect of it that you describe as "greed".
Basically, I don't think AI changes the economics a lot, really. Even pre-AI, art as a job was economically insecure and exploitative before and honestly better done as a hobby.
AI just finishes the job and lowers the economic value of art even more, but doesn't change the calculus that pursuing art for a living was never a "good" idea. Though we should of course be grateful that some people are willing to pay the price. It is sad, to be sure, but that's the way the world is.
kwirky882026-01-24 16:43
I have an undergrad in fine art from a visual arts university and won a board of governors award for my major, media arts and digital technologies. Yes, effort gets you a certain distance but somebody with talent putting in the same effort will go further. Couple talent and effort with technology and there’s no way to compete.
Technology for the arts has always evolved throughout history: camera lucida, camera obscura, the lithographic press, mass manufacturing of supplies, digital editing, digital painting. Then there are advancements in collaborative processes which brought us artistic mediums which require many people to produce, such as anime. When everyone in the production has talent, drive and technology you have world class productions. Think studio ghibli. Miyazaki produces nostalgic films but nostalgia isn’t a process, ghibli films have always used cutting edge tech.
AI in the hands of somebody with talent and drive cannot be competed against when somebody lacks drive and ability. So there will always be differentiators based on artistic talent, even with ai involved.
clgfandom2026-01-24 23:01
counterpoint: there are examples of AI art/novel winning awards over people.
MaloraKeikaku2026-01-24 16:44
Yea democraticizing art is such a dumb arguement.
It's hard. That's a huge part of the point of what makes it awesome. If you just wanna watch machines do the same shit over and over, people would've stopped watching people play chess years ago.
Instead, people didn't care about machines playing chess. They cared about people doing so, cause we care about people and stories, not perfect machines just doing perfect things over and over.
Haru1st2026-01-24 18:47
Yep. Greater good would be taxing assets, not work. Good luck passing that through lobbyists though. Now, AI benefiting legislation, that’s a whole other story.
The only good thing that might come from this is the outdated copyright law being put on the chopping block. Though they were once meant to safeguard the rights of creatives, they have long since been perverted to serve the monopolistic interests of corporate entities instead, directly damaging the freedom of cultural and intellectual distribution.
flybypost2026-01-24 19:59
> There have been painters without limbs, people that got successful drawing literal stickmen, people who managed to become great at drawing using nothing more than a pencil and paper.
Something I've heard from quite a few illustrators as AI art was hyped is how their clients—who are usually absolutely picky about random details of every piece these illustrators submitted and pushed for overnight correction and all kinds of other stressors—are the opposite when it comes to AI art.
Suddenly they excuse all kinds of sloppy details or even just simply bad composition, colours that are not what they wanted, and all kinds of newbie mistakes that those supposed AI "prompt engineers" *professionals* constantly fuck up.
It infuriating when they, as humans, get constantly pestered to lower their prices yet also deliver better and better work on a level that AI can't do but the moment the same clients have access to AI they show "compassion" that they would to no entry level artist.
Azran152026-01-24 21:50
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Archy382026-01-26 08:32
It's easy and cheap to do, but if everyone does it, who is going to pay for it? It pushes creatives to stand out even more. I saw a few takes with that mindset and kind of agree, AI is going to develop but show holes where it can effectively be used AND be appreciated by the majority.
I hope enough people will start to push back on using it for art when they realize how much effort goes into producing art for no monetary gain.
Nachttalk2026-01-26 10:01
>show holes where it can effectively be used AND be appreciated by the majority.
This is the big thing, for me at least.
Just yesterday I saw that Zara advertised a new function in their app where they used AI to give people a fit check based on photos they can upload to the app, and I was like "Yes, THIS is an amazing way to use AI"
I would be much more open towards AI if this how I got introduced to the technology.
But instead my introduction to Ai was tech Ros trying to force themselves into the creative space and "solve" a problem that doesn't exist.
No, I do not want to create my own version of a Sam Yang picture, I want a Sam Yang picture by Sam Yang, that's why I like his images.
Similarly I do not want to create my own Linkin Park songs, I want songs by Linkin Park
Seeing so many smaller artists (among them some that I really liked) being afraid of being pushed out by AI from people who only saw the potential money but not the craft itself made me upset and resent that technology.
And the funny thing is; all of what I just said comes even before the first thing you mentioned, because yeah, if everything is AI, who is going to be paying for it?
Archy382026-01-26 10:19
Yep, that is the thing. We as humans are always going to appreciate something beyond it's "money value" if we know a human created it, because then that human must be out there and that human can be met or studied should they want to.
There is literally no way you can even have an interview with an "AI Artist" that won't be a short email that they prob used Chat GPT to generate.
People will always pay for dumb things, but people will pay more for dumb things created by awesome people
TheMacarooniGuy2026-01-24 10:44
If you flip it against negativity bias, 9/10 do not see income fall due to generative AI.
So, not too much to worry about as of yet and there are solutions being put forth in the article. I suppose artists who you see make a living off of posting drawings online are in a bit of a danger zone (since that's what generative AI is "best" at), but I have to reason to be *that* worried about it. Most actual consumers still want a human behind it.
Narrow-Cicada-26952026-01-24 11:30
I beg to differ on your last point. Most consumers simply do not care about who or what made the product.
TheMacarooniGuy2026-01-24 11:41
When it comes to anime specifically, many people do care though.
If it's a video game, sure, most might not care too much if it's X- or Y-company. But with AI, the indication is usually much clearer. Anime is so special though that in some way you *do* have to "care" about such matters because it's such a unique and odd thing, and I don't think the entire industry is going to bend over on their morals and proudness in their works just because Demon Slayer happens to be popular among non-seasonal watchers in the West.
Even then, I do definitely think people in general care. Because art is a *human* aspect. If you know that it is not "human", you will think less of it.
ss1d_2026-01-24 15:44
I mean, that’s definitely the view of the majority on the internet, but as much as I hate to say it, you can’t just assume and “think” every person who uses the internet cares, or even know if something is generated by ai.
VirinaB2026-01-24 19:37
But we can assume and think someone *doesn't* care about what they're buying.
> I beg to differ on your last point. Most consumers simply do not care about who or what made the product.
What I'm ultimately hearing is "Negativity is safety and it keeps us in a state of stress and alert."
Look, the US president is trying to abduct my friends off the street, and people are getting killed for resisting, Ukraine is losing the war, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, the WHO, etc. I don't fault anyone for trying to see the upside in this corner of the Internet.
Kw328712026-01-25 02:34
What it means is 90% haven’t seen a drop in income yet, shortly after ai has become a thing. Obviously you can be optimistic that it hasn’t caused devastating damage yet but it’s still clearly a huge negative.
I really hope it turns out as you say it will but as long as the people who make the decisions are not the same people who actually care the most, i find it hard to trust them.
Kadmos12026-01-24 13:02
I have nothing to prove it nor have I asked an offficial yet, but I think the PA Work anime "Towa no Yugure" from last season might have been a commentary on the dangers of AI. Similarly, Toho possibly made the original Godzilla film as a commentary, criticism, reaction, etc. about nuclear, atomic, and hydrogen bombs.
kos-or-kosm2026-01-24 15:26
*Regurgitive AI
AniMyna2026-01-24 17:15
"You can't hate AI enough."
POpportunity63362026-01-24 17:16
Most people are actually anti-plagiarism, not anti-AI. Artists would love to have their own assistants that work offline.
The politicians are the problem. Most original AI codes and projects are open sourced and based on university papers (which must be open by their nature due to reproducibility). Random tech CEOs just plagiarize source codes and internet data without having to pay royalties to researchers and artists. The ruling class refuses to fix this.
shostri2026-01-24 17:22
> The ruling class refuses to fix this.
The ruling class owns the capital and is the one standing to profit from this the most.
VirinaB2026-01-24 19:27
Idk about all this, when people hear AI-anything they seem to assume it took a job. In the gaming community, if people hear a game was coded with AI, then it's "oh boy, I'll be avoiding that slop" when in reality, it's a coder (not some soulless exec) who is using the tool and needing to proofread it.
jojoismyreligion2026-01-24 22:39
I'll straight up quit anime of Gen AI started actively used here
LacusClyne2026-01-25 04:18
>I'll straight up quit anime of Gen AI started actively used here
You do know it has been used in plenty of shows already and has been for many years? Doesn't take much effort to look it up...
Cephalo_Kayum2026-01-25 03:56
It's really sad that art as a creative cognitive exercise is going extinct slowly and painfully. People in the industry are affected along with so many others if you look into the problem of AI being not sustainable and making prices of raw materials and electricity increase.
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I’ve also recently seen Japanese people retweeting tweets about the recent news on South Korea implementing new ai regulations, saying things like “Japan should do the same”. Don’t even get me started on how OpenAI is losing tons of money and is predicted to lose even more without funding in the next few years. Starting to feel like Gen AI is a perfect example of sunk cost.
This has been a thing since the 2008 recession. In short: It gave Silicon Valley investors way more "free money" so to speak, and at a time when that industry had gotten more professionalised (more about money than innovation) on top of that.
It was them who propped up cryptocurrencies until they could make a profit at the cost of "regular investors". Same with NFTs when they needed a new way to use all that "free money", and it's repeating with LLM based AIs.
The one difference is that those AIs could have *some* use in some instances (they are kinda good at pattern recognition that might escape humans) but the amount of money shovelled into the ever-hungry maw of AI companies seems orders of magnitude higher (which would also necessitate enormous profits to satisfy Silicon Valley investors).
That are companies that have made no profit for a long time (longer than most SV investments) while the product hasn't exactly gotten cheaper (or scaled in any positive way to a significant degree) and where they are still advocating for, and building more, data centres with money they still don't have (increasing their future liabilities immensely).
In that way it will be closer to the dot com bubble than NFTs or Crypto despite it being the same greedy morons driving AI investments as those two things.
And I guess a lot of non-USA countries are currently a bit iffy on making American investment doesn't exactly help those big American tech companies either (kinda insane how they aren't more anti-Trump considering Trump is pretty much killing their golden goose).
From what I remember LLM are rather good at doing that (from how they work) and we got stuff like deepl.com which, I think, is an LLM based translation tool that was trained on in-house language work (it's a spin off or sister company of https://www.linguee.com/).
> And I guess a lot of non-USA countries are currently a bit iffy on making American investment doesn't exactly help those big American tech companies either (kinda insane how they aren't more anti-Trump considering Trump is pretty much killing their golden goose).
Yup, the EU is slowly (which is rather quick for our EU bureaucracy) trying to divest itself from US tech corporations. By now Linux is good enough for the type of office work they need, and a lot of simpler office work can also be web/browser based these days too.
And I'm 100% on the tech firm situation in regard to Trump. They were rolling over without a fight, or rather way before there was even a fight to be anticipated. Just going for some easy [IBM medal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust) or something :/
They've been saying things like this for years. Same for the Linux Gaming Community. I'll believe it when I see it. It was the same deal with Google Docs and open office et al.
That's partly true but a big part can be attributed to the problem that caused Intel's chip dominance: Politics, bribes, and misguided incentives.
AMD had better chips for quite a while but nobody switched from Intel because they simply "bribed" a lot of stakeholders. The city of Munich switched to [their own Linux version](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux) but then switched back to Windows for dubious reasons:
> In 2018, journalistic group Investigate Europe released a video documentary via German public television network ARD that claimed that the majority of city workers were satisfied with the operating system, with council members insinuating that **the reversal was a personally motivated decision by mayor Dieter Reiter. Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich.**
The biggest issue standing in the way of such a switch is usually entrenched powers that benefit (financially) from the status quo.
It is terrible at any form of translation you are most likely to engage in: spoken, manga, anime, youtube videos, novels, news, etc.
Just browse any youtube video with autodubbed turned on and you would see how fucking horrible it is.
Spoken mainly from japanese - english. Idk about other languages. Maybe it is good with spanish?
I mainly use deepl.com to translate longer texts (essentially for comments in /r/soccer mostly ) from English to German (or the other way around) because I'm too lazy to type it all out but then I go through it because I don't trust it to be correct just because it sounds correct.
Touching any asian language and it falls apart.
This is reality now.
We have to accept it and start planning for it. Focus conversations about the future of AI on income. How will most people make ends meet in the next twenty years? How will they afford food with no income when automation replaces all jobs? Just calmly keep asking income questions.
Spread the idea of asking income questions to other people so they can ask those questions to others still. Become a virus that no billionaire egomaniac campaign can cure.
There will be a moment when the emotional reality of what AI really is collides with the intellectual reality. That will be the critical point in which serious, permanent government policy will begin to take shape. If there are millions of people asking simple income questions everyday, that will score the drafters of those policies.
"If I pass light automation laws and the entire population starts to starve to death because they have no longer have income, the people will blame me and come after me. I should probably force billionaires to fall in line, regardless of how much they pay me."
As for the idea that the models will keep getting better and better, I'm not convinced. The speed at which they improve is dropping *fast* despite multiplication increased funding year by year. The amount of data you need to work with to improve them is so astronomical that it simply cannot be collected off of the current internet. They're still burning astronomical amounts of money and their revenue isn't increasing fast enough to *ever* catch up, especially given that the relentless media campaign they run means there's very few people who simply haven't heard of their services. It's impossible to get around the fact that LLMs are simply poorly suited to many, even *most* of the tasks that people want from them. The technology might remain, but investor interest will not.
You, and everyone ignoring this, do so at your own peril.
The models are still improving. They will continue to do so.
If you don't believe me, see predictions by non-profit forecasters. See https://ai-2027.com/ written, in part, by Daniel Kokotajlo. Daniel Kokotajlo, who left OpenAI and forfeited approximately $2 million in equity by refusing to sign a non-disparagement agreement. All that to help give everyone detailed forecast of what might happen.
You were supposed be use [**Nepenthes Tarspin**](https://youtu.be/vC2mlCtuJiU?si=BrXl5CIbBUM5dFjf) to fight A.I.
* If AI doesn't die, AI funnels money into its owners at the expense of the poor, inequality will get worse, and life will be awful.
* If AI does die, the exorbitant amount of money already invested to push AI up means a completely inavertible economic crisis will almost certainly happen, as the AI boulder crushes everything in its path on its way down. Again, inequality will get worse, and life will be awful.
All of this could have been avoided if rich people weren't greedy, and the average person took a more hardline stance. In other words, this was never really avoidable...
With Anime in particular, I see no way it won't disrupt the industry, given the economic incentives. The studios can swear up and down that they won't use it, but I doubt that will be long lasting. Though I guess there is the possibility that they form a guild-like cartel where they enforce "organically" created works. Though given the working conditions and low salaries so far, I doubt that they care much about such integrity.
They won't have to literally replace jobs. Just once artist suddenly being able to do the work of two is enough for disruption.
And like all automations in the past it is disruptive. We aren't running out of things people can do to be productive in society. For every job no longer needed due to AI, we as a society and a larger economy will be able to create new jobs we still need people to do.
And if we ever do reach the point where society is so automated that we genuinely don't need a lot of people working, that is a fairly good problem for society to have and a sign of great progress.
For stuff like artists and writers, AI is going to allow us to generate mediocre art and writing fairly easily, while allowing more talented artists and writers to leverage AI to improve the quality and quantity of what they can produce.
But I don't see AI replacing high quality writing and art. We will still have artists and writers for that, but the bar for being a professional creative type is going to be higher and we are going to have fewer of them. If an AI can easily produce equivalent quality writing, art, or whatever other creative content you produce, then you aren't currently good enough to do that professionally in the current economy.
AI isn't like automation of the past, it's non-deterministic, unpredictable and more likely to generate mistakes that go unnoticed when used by inexperienced people.
For artists and writers, I think a lot of good work will end up being harder to discover and be buried under mountains of AI generated rubbish. As much as I hate marketing, having people discover your content in the first place seems like a tough battle.
I don't entirely hate AI, it has a lot of ways it can be used well (e.g. analysing large data sets, improving productivity and prototyping) but the way it's going to end up mostly being used to churn out rubbish and spam makes me wish it didn't exist.
Automation in the past delivered a consistent result. That's why it's automation and not "random-mation".
LLM based AI is, very simplified, an extremely huge autocomplete, not a system that's focused on replicable results. That's the core of it and why it can't really change, can't become AGI (like what AI company CEOs imagine), can't answer some simple questions for weird reasons, or can't calculate correctly (without being heavy tweaking into "becoming a real calculator" and not an LLM based AI).
LLMs don't know facts, they just make statistical bets on tiny pieces (from the large model they were trained on) of data that seems to correlate with other pieces and put them next to each other. In essence a massively huge rube goldberg [if-then-else](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_\(computer_programming\)#If-then-else_statement) machine (with some percentages stapled on top of it to give it variety).
It has some fields where its powerful pattern recognition has benefits (like making translations *sound* more correct without necessarily *being* correct) but it's not really comparable to traditional automation that's based on repeatable results.
Then complained something about how so many say the same thing seemingly not realizing that people often dislike AI generated images especially when it is tried to pass as something they "themselves created"
The arguments given to justify its usage always fall flat if think more than 30 seconds about it.
There have been painters without limbs, people that got successful drawing literal stickmen, people who managed to become great at drawing using nothing more than a pencil and paper.
But all of those have one thing in common: they got there by spending a lot of time doing what they enjoy.
If your objective is money, you can't afford to spend so much time learning the craft, that's when all the BS justifications like "democratizing Art" come in to make it look like you're arguing for a greater good, when in reality it's greed.
Humans talent are expensive, the allure to displace people with a soulless machine insusceptible to fatigue and cheap is huge. Its no coincidence the biggest push in "AI" is in operational work and creative. Both area that are expensive and recurring.
Yeah, its greed
I'm sorry, but this is very tone deaf clearly shows a lack of understanding how anime studios work.
1. The bottle neck of anime is often the creative process, not producing the frame by frame itself. Yeah sure, gen AI can spit out a frame faster, but what's the point if the episode overall is all over the place and for lack of better word, Sloppy
2. Belive it or not, most if not all amazing sakuga in anime is not because the studio had extra budget, but because they manage to gather amazing talent in one room and produce such masterpiece.
3. Faster? Yes and no. Can you see me straight in the eye and say stuff like AI chatbot is better and faster than human?
2. Both, you need a good studio and unlimited budget.
3. Chatbots spew average, but average it’s useful when guided.
a good adaptation fills the manga frames with good animation pacing.
2. No, a studio is only as good as it's talent. One Punchman S1 is amazing not because it's madhouse, but the talent that works on it that madhouse manages to gather. Unlimited budget is unrealistic to begin with. Sure you can throw money all you want but an average joe wont be able to draw like Kishimoto just because you gave them 10k
3. LMAOOOOOO, no. Ah yes, let's talk in a circle until AI chatbot gives up and escalates to people anyway. Surely that is more efficient than just human in the first place. Oh no, that's expensive, we don't want to pay human wages.
1. it gives you the most important point a story.
2. just throw 10k at kishimoto then
[3.AI](http://3.AI) its to big to not change the game adapt overcome etc...
Among people who are doing the actual drawing, you have
* Character designer (usually 1-2 people per series)
* Draws the designs for the characters at various angles and in charge of directing edits and changes to rough drafts to ensure consistency of character models in animation
* Background Artist (usually 1 person)
* Draws the background backdrops that are used directly, or referenced by key/motion animators to draw scenes. Directs background artwork to ensure consistency.
* Key Animators (varies but anywhere from 15-60+ per series)
* Relies on character designs to draw "Key" frames which represent every 4-6 seconds to show how the scene plays out.
* Motion animators (many)
* Draws the frames that connect the key frames, based on referencing the key frames
To the extent that AI is expected to assist in the animation process, the ONLY part of animation people seriously think it's capable of doing the work is the Motion Animation part of it, and even then with SIGNIFICANT issues with human editing to assist in the process. Or generating backgrounds. MAYBE adding effects animations, like explosions, water splashes, etc.
But the reason anime takes a long time is largely driven by the lack of quality Key Animators and the difficulty in coordinating and drawing the volume of art necessary for Key Animation, which virtually nobody (that has any expertise in this field) is suggesting can be replaced by AI, even by those most optimistic about what AI could do for anime production.
i totally get that current direction and taste it's not there yet but claiming that algorithms are bad at logistics its no good.
So video generation models are largely out of my expertise.
But at least insofar as my experience with AI models as applied to my line of work, I find that tech vendors talk way bigger a game than what they are capable of accomplishing.
Count me as highly *highly* skeptical AI will be able to replace human artists at least, not for another 20 years.
Basically, I don't think AI changes the economics a lot, really. Even pre-AI, art as a job was economically insecure and exploitative before and honestly better done as a hobby.
AI just finishes the job and lowers the economic value of art even more, but doesn't change the calculus that pursuing art for a living was never a "good" idea. Though we should of course be grateful that some people are willing to pay the price. It is sad, to be sure, but that's the way the world is.
Technology for the arts has always evolved throughout history: camera lucida, camera obscura, the lithographic press, mass manufacturing of supplies, digital editing, digital painting. Then there are advancements in collaborative processes which brought us artistic mediums which require many people to produce, such as anime. When everyone in the production has talent, drive and technology you have world class productions. Think studio ghibli. Miyazaki produces nostalgic films but nostalgia isn’t a process, ghibli films have always used cutting edge tech.
AI in the hands of somebody with talent and drive cannot be competed against when somebody lacks drive and ability. So there will always be differentiators based on artistic talent, even with ai involved.
It's hard. That's a huge part of the point of what makes it awesome. If you just wanna watch machines do the same shit over and over, people would've stopped watching people play chess years ago.
Instead, people didn't care about machines playing chess. They cared about people doing so, cause we care about people and stories, not perfect machines just doing perfect things over and over.
The only good thing that might come from this is the outdated copyright law being put on the chopping block. Though they were once meant to safeguard the rights of creatives, they have long since been perverted to serve the monopolistic interests of corporate entities instead, directly damaging the freedom of cultural and intellectual distribution.
Something I've heard from quite a few illustrators as AI art was hyped is how their clients—who are usually absolutely picky about random details of every piece these illustrators submitted and pushed for overnight correction and all kinds of other stressors—are the opposite when it comes to AI art.
Suddenly they excuse all kinds of sloppy details or even just simply bad composition, colours that are not what they wanted, and all kinds of newbie mistakes that those supposed AI "prompt engineers" *professionals* constantly fuck up.
It infuriating when they, as humans, get constantly pestered to lower their prices yet also deliver better and better work on a level that AI can't do but the moment the same clients have access to AI they show "compassion" that they would to no entry level artist.
I hope enough people will start to push back on using it for art when they realize how much effort goes into producing art for no monetary gain.
This is the big thing, for me at least.
Just yesterday I saw that Zara advertised a new function in their app where they used AI to give people a fit check based on photos they can upload to the app, and I was like "Yes, THIS is an amazing way to use AI"
I would be much more open towards AI if this how I got introduced to the technology.
But instead my introduction to Ai was tech Ros trying to force themselves into the creative space and "solve" a problem that doesn't exist.
No, I do not want to create my own version of a Sam Yang picture, I want a Sam Yang picture by Sam Yang, that's why I like his images.
Similarly I do not want to create my own Linkin Park songs, I want songs by Linkin Park
Seeing so many smaller artists (among them some that I really liked) being afraid of being pushed out by AI from people who only saw the potential money but not the craft itself made me upset and resent that technology.
And the funny thing is; all of what I just said comes even before the first thing you mentioned, because yeah, if everything is AI, who is going to be paying for it?
There is literally no way you can even have an interview with an "AI Artist" that won't be a short email that they prob used Chat GPT to generate.
People will always pay for dumb things, but people will pay more for dumb things created by awesome people
So, not too much to worry about as of yet and there are solutions being put forth in the article. I suppose artists who you see make a living off of posting drawings online are in a bit of a danger zone (since that's what generative AI is "best" at), but I have to reason to be *that* worried about it. Most actual consumers still want a human behind it.
If it's a video game, sure, most might not care too much if it's X- or Y-company. But with AI, the indication is usually much clearer. Anime is so special though that in some way you *do* have to "care" about such matters because it's such a unique and odd thing, and I don't think the entire industry is going to bend over on their morals and proudness in their works just because Demon Slayer happens to be popular among non-seasonal watchers in the West.
Even then, I do definitely think people in general care. Because art is a *human* aspect. If you know that it is not "human", you will think less of it.
> I beg to differ on your last point. Most consumers simply do not care about who or what made the product.
What I'm ultimately hearing is "Negativity is safety and it keeps us in a state of stress and alert."
Look, the US president is trying to abduct my friends off the street, and people are getting killed for resisting, Ukraine is losing the war, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, the WHO, etc. I don't fault anyone for trying to see the upside in this corner of the Internet.
I really hope it turns out as you say it will but as long as the people who make the decisions are not the same people who actually care the most, i find it hard to trust them.
The politicians are the problem. Most original AI codes and projects are open sourced and based on university papers (which must be open by their nature due to reproducibility). Random tech CEOs just plagiarize source codes and internet data without having to pay royalties to researchers and artists. The ruling class refuses to fix this.
The ruling class owns the capital and is the one standing to profit from this the most.
You do know it has been used in plenty of shows already and has been for many years? Doesn't take much effort to look it up...