Gnosia - Episode 15 discussion

Ofc, especially with AC Jonas falling for the same 'trap' Raqio laid for Yuri. At best, this ends with Jonas being outed as AC and then realizing Yuri was real engineer. Then the survivors will need to re-evaluate everything Jonas/Yuri said while Reman tries to shake off any residual suspicion.

But this has to be taken in context of the alternative: leaving Yuri as the Engineer in control of the group. The Engineer is the single biggest threat to the Gnosia, so fabricating a situation where the real Engineer is discredited then killed off before he can clear his name is advantageous.

The rest is just stalling for time long enough for Reman to be alone with the final survivor. The chances of that happening are higher without an active Engineer than with. Especially with all the chaos and confusion caused by Raqio's plan and the presence of an AC causing everyone to doubt everything.

Well, doctor is pretty useless role once there's only one Gnosia. If humans freeze the last one they win, if they don't win it's obvious that the frozen one was a human even without doctor checking them. Gnosia would go for the smartest humans and humans in charge, not for shy Remnan with useless power.

Ig Raqio is trying the "I throw Comet under the bus therefore i can't be Gnosia" strat bc Comet is such a deadweight for them lol.

Remnan might have fumbled the plan like Comet did in her episode.

we just call that a bum

You seem to misunderstand the situation. If no one brings up ACs, then the whole plan wouldn't work. Again, the humans KNOW they already froze one Gnosia: Comet. They then (after Yuri died because the Gnosia attacked him at night so that was their original plan) believe, Jonas to be the second Gnosia if no one brings up the possibility of ACs. Meaning, the humans assume there only to be one Gnosia left. And since two doctors have claimed the role, one WOULD HAVE to be a Gnosia. Meaning if they freeze Remnan for example and don't win, they immediately suspect Racio to be the real Gnosia. And vice versa.

They never get to a thought of Gnosia not "taking that many risks" because the humans never even realize that both doctors were actually Gnosia. And that is the fatal flaw in the plan. The humans don't have to actually figure out who the real Gnosia were in order to freeze them all. Therefore, Racio HAS to bring up ACs or they have NO chance of winning.

So I hope that this is clear now, we can argue the original plan of Racio. That plan included Yuri being killed, so there isn't actually anyone claiming Racio to be a Gnosia. That isn't the issue. The issue is what Jonas would do. Would he claim the role of AC in order to save his own life or not? The problem is, if he does, then this would interfere with Racio's later plan when they would want to bring it up themselves.

I also don't believe that the ACs always do what is best for Gnosia. Jonas claimed he checked Yuri and said he was human. This isn't really helping the Gnosia. Why would he do that? Because if you think logically about it, there is no reason to vote out an AC if he could be the real engineer. Like, that was the whole logic in previous episodes. They wouldn't even vote out a potential Gnosia because the engineer is too powerful, but a person they know isn't actually a Gnosia? If you are so sure that Yuri is an AC and not the real engineer that you would vote him out, then just ignore what he says in the future, but don't reduce the group by another human. Especially when you already voted out a person when you know they were human (Yuriko). That is a bad strategy.

Honestly, that is kind of why I dislike the role of the Drunk in an actual werewolf game, because whoever draws that role can't actually win. They are supposedly playing pro-werewolf or anti-human, but they don't count as werewolf, so they don't win if them + the werewolves make up at least half the players. They win together with the humans (as seen by the fact that Jonas did not have to be frozen for the game to end). Which makes their role really bad to play for a person, because they have to play against their own interests. I understand this is a series and not the game, but it creates these weird scenarios where the argument about voting them out is really pointless because there is barely any reason to ever vote them out. Just ignore them. Which is why I prefer a half-blood role, which is a special werewolf role that, if checked by the engineer (or seer in the werewolf game) is still seen as human. Which creates the same possibilities as the AC without the problem that the half-blood doesn't have to play against their own interests because they still win together with the werewolfs.

But okay, that rant aside. Again, even if everything went perfect for Racio. So they managed to kill Yuri (which they should have done earlier) and Jonas doesn't mention the AC role, then it's still hard for them to convince the other players that they are not the Gnosia. Because it will always be a strange way if the accused is the one to bring up a possibility no one thought of before. And they probably have to do that. Again, in contrast to the original problem, there is a chance at winning with that strategy, but it is still very dangerous. I think the version I wrote in my edit is the best chance Racio has. But I still think Racio heavily misplayed. Especially if they can somewhat manipulate what the AC does. Because if they get full control over the doctor (and they technically don't even have to have two people claim that role once they realize the real doctor is dead) and one person that can make the findings of the engineer less plausible, there isn't even a reason to sacrifice Comet.