Eris no Seihai • The Holy Grail of Eris - Episode 4 discussion

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Well, stories done there. RIP Constance. Wonder if her ghost will come and finish the story /s

My favourite parts are Scarlett and Constance interacting and Scarlett blushing

Everyone’s coming after poor Connie this week. First was that bullshit kangaroo court shit, then some journo publishes lies about her, some Karen comes at her on some moral crusade, and then she hurts Kate. Oh, and some nutjob tries to assassinate her. Girl just can’t catch break!

Theres so many mysteries in this story, no way it will fit 12 eps

*[Amelia totally could have gotten away with half of this, if she excluded the other half.](https://i.imgur.com/FFh1fUs.jpeg)*

Sorry for the delay. [Here](https://x.com/Project_of_Eris/status/2016073703499366865?s=20) is the character chart for Episode 3 from the official account, and [this is the English translation](https://imgur.com/a/episode-3-chart-p4u3a6w). I also combined the charts from Episodes 1-3 into a single image [here](https://imgur.com/a/all-ver-DxHRJZZ).

Constance narrowly avoided arrest, but that doesn't mean she's not going to be put on trial: by a welcoming committee where ladies go in but nothing else ever comes out. Welcome to the Silent Ladies' Party, signed with blood.

Fancy Connie running into Deborah again, now maskless, as she and her cronies stand to take Constance to task for her "crimes" in place of her "Dear Friend" Pamela. Pamela, still causing Connie grief even this late into the show. Though they also had to reference Scarlett's death and rub it in, as if to add insult to injury. I'm not surprised Scarlett is ticked off, but she's got Constance and they'll get through this as a team!

Deborah can act like she had nothing to do with the human trafficiking (even if she probably did), but one of her retinue's husbands IS facing a possible hefty prison sentence if the real ringleader isn't discovered. Would Esther be willing to sell Deborah out if it meant saving her husband? Too bad Deborah is too powerful for that to work.

Luckily for Constance Abigail O'Brian (Ayako Kawasumi!) comes in to save the day, as blithe and cheery against this tense atmosphere. She's the only one on the same level as "Debbie" as part of the four great families and the only one Deborah can't oppose. Abigail is so on the level even Scarlett agrees with her about how careful Constance has to be moving forward. But she wouldn't even be there if not for Randolph seeking her assistance to support Connie. Is our Constance developing the "warm and fuzzies" for Randolph?

I guess it's not unexpected that Constance would become a prime interviewee for reporters, such as the inquisitive and always looking for a great scoop Amelia Hobbes (Aya Yamane!) who eagerly wants to get to the bottom of all the craziness going on in Constances' life and how she's becoming the second coming of Scarlett. Her partner, Aldous (Shoya Chiba!) is more laidback at least. Though despite being an inspiration for women by being an unmarried reporter in a man's field, could Amelia NOT make it sound like Constance is doing drugs and orgies on the regular!?

Constance is starting to get exhausted with all the characters and groups that keep introducing themselves to her. Now it's Kimberly Smith (Kimiko Saito!) as part of the committee for erasing all probelmatic and inhumane elements of their society, and who doesn't take well to the nobility. Luckily Connie gets bailed out by Kate, but it sucks that Kate feels betrayed that her best friend didn't tell her about her engagement. There's obviously good reason why Connie wants to keep Kate as separate from this as possible...but it still hurts.

A missing Faris prince? Obviously Randolph will have to investigate, but the fact that Constance is willing to face tea with Cecilia on her own is enough to raise his respect for her. And Constance seems to like that reaction!

Why did Cecilia react to Randolph not being there the way she did? Because she wanted him there or because she didn't like the idea of him investigating the missing prince?

So if you hear Cecilia's side of things, Scarlett was livid that Enrique bailed on her to visit a sick Cecilia. Next thing you know there's poisoned water in Cecilia's place and plenty of evidence linking Scarlett to the crime. Though despite all that, Cecilia is at least willing to admit she's guilty of falling for an engaged man and then being unable to produce an heir...and her merchant friend Vado has been supplying her ABORTION DRUGS that have been making her more sick and preventing her from having children. I don't know if Cecilia is good or bad, but she doesn't deserve that and I'm glad Constance helped her out.

Is this all connected to Faris somehow? But it seems like Connie has gotten too close now that the conspiracy is after her. Scarlett can do a bit, but can she stop a bullet?

Does anyone else feel like they missed an episode? I even went back and skimmed through episode 3 again and I don't know where the committee thing at the start of the episode came from. Even after that, the rest of the episode felt... very disjointed? Like they tried to squeeze several episodes worth of small plotlines into way too little time. I was really into this show but this episode completely lost me.

- [Interesting name…](https://i.imgur.com/9AfryMP.png) [](#missingpiece)

- [There’s a “sore demo” from… Deborah, right?](https://files.catbox.moe/xm9wsc.mp4)

- [The stress Pamela went through made her hair go white, dang.](https://i.imgur.com/8ZlnHkf.png)

- [This should be good.](https://i.imgur.com/zJvtFSI.png) [](#popcorn2)

- [Damn, this is how Deborah’s going to get her way with things?](https://i.imgur.com/SOk3ikL.png)

- [Well, new girl Abigail sure got things swinging in her favor *immediately*.](https://i.imgur.com/3CXezCe.png)

- [Sounds like *someone’s* a bit too pushy of a reporter, huh?](https://i.imgur.com/jnWOhZF.png)

- [W-Wow…](https://i.imgur.com/CPdgBdc.png) [](#blankblink)

- [Wait did that article accidentally uncover something new?](https://i.imgur.com/3jfvMrr.png) [](#rengethink)

- [Kate “sore demo”!](https://files.catbox.moe/g83mzk.mp4)

- [Two of them, actually!](https://files.catbox.moe/w2rkow.mp4) [](#seasonalhype)

- [A prince is missing?](https://i.imgur.com/iAI1Htf.png) [](#emiliaohdear)

- [Constance “sore demo” too!](https://files.catbox.moe/sbogbn.mp4) This episode sure is giving me a bunch of ‘em.

- [So this](https://i.imgur.com/enGJAqg.png) is [how it was “proven” to be Scarlett, hm.](https://i.imgur.com/vM0vGK7.png) [](#csikon)

- [Oh damn…](https://i.imgur.com/mLscA3Y.png) [](#suddenshock)

- [Yet another Constance “sore demo”!](https://files.catbox.moe/0d00bl.mp4)

- [I noticed that too.](https://i.imgur.com/YYV6Y8E.png) Very sus.

Am i the only one completely confused that randolph knows about scarlett??? In 15:00 he just casually asks if scarlett is there? Did i miss the big reveil where constance told him about her? Im so confused. The only thing that happened last episode is that randolph callled her a terrible liar. Did they really offscreen the reveil?

I only vaguely recall Scarlett has an elder brother, who was shown briefly in an earlier episode. But surely sisterly bonds are forming between Constance and Scarlett. Constance may even be the first person in a long time to hold Scarlett's hand, and to make Scarlett become embarrassed and flustered with words.

Constance should be honest with Kate and inform the latter what has been happening. I feel Kate might be a character who is able to hold her ground, facing incoming problems calmly.

However, a small grumble I have with this title is that it introduces far too many characters in a short span of time. I have no clue which characters might play future major roles in the story and which are merely minor characters. Then again, maybe a key theme of this title is to keep us viewers guessing. Lol!

This anime is so confusing

Abigail O'Brien pulled a Phoenix Wright.

The princess should have pulled out her very own Maomao for tea time.

Scarlett pulled a Pikachu on that fake driver.

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I'm pretty disappointed in how this is turning out. I like the setup, I like "buddy cop good girl and bad girl (ghost) work together to solve the mystery behind a court conspiracy". But if you're going to do a mystery you do need to lock in and make sure everyone's motivations and actions make sense. Everything needs a throughline of logic.

What exactly was the extra judicial tribunal of court ladies hoping to achieve? They have no legal authority after all. Why did Constance agree to attend?

What was Constance hoping to achieve by saying the magic detect evil word to the driver? Like, what is the *plan* here?

Or, like, when Scarlett talks about figuring out that there's a vendor who visits the palace but nobody who deals in that merchandise seems to know him is valuable information... valuable in what sense? What are we hoping to achieve with this info? How does this contribute to our team goal of figuring out who set up Scarlett?

This script needed more Shoshimin in it. That show also had a sort of good cop/bad cop pair (well, bad cop/very bad cop lol) but it did such a better job of establishing characters and motivations and relationships between them so that viewers could follow along and speculate and fall for red herrings. This show just doesn't have that sauce.

I feel like 5 million things happened this episode

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The Starlight Room investigation scene was great, especially in how it shows the “illegal” underground punishment system is basically a playground for nobles. In the end, Connie can’t protect herself and almost gets crushed by Deborah Darkian. Then Abigail O’Brian comes in and steals the show. She’s a great example of a strong woman, and I’d put her on the same level as Tomiko (the chief) from Shinsekai Yori. It’s less about brute force and more about the authority and influence they carry.

This Amelia Hobbes girl has zero manners. She just barges in and gets so pushy. The whole sequence is pretty comedic too. Connie immediately gets hit with another headache from another commoner from the Ladies’ Committee of the Violet Association, Kimberly. We still have no real clue what her role in the story is yet.

This episode sets up **a lot**. Feels like we’re done with Deborah for now, and it doesn't seem like she'll provide any more leads. And the story is slowly shifting beyond Adelbide. This Kendall Levine dude seems to have lost a Farisian prince named Ulysses, and the tea party with Cecilia signals that this Vado guy is another mystery. Based on current events and [the previous episode](https://imgur.com/a/eris-ep3-gmZK6ze), it really feels like[ Cecilia’s](https://imgur.com/a/eris-ep3-gmZK6ze) the one pulling the strings. But then why poison herself with something she ordered from Vado? Is she deliberately avoiding pregnancy? Scarlett seems to see through her [bullshit.](https://imgur.com/a/eris-ep4-vYspGg2)

A lot happens in this episode, but the main clues are:
– A missing prince named Ulysses
– Cecilia being linked to Vado
– Cecilia poisoning herself (intentionally?)
– Connie getting ambushed by an evil group

I lost track of all the characters. I'm just here for Scarlett and Constance blushing

Oh no, Constance! I can't believe that they shot and killed the main character

A lot of people keep approaching Constance; an overly-eager reporter, a Victorian Era Karen, and a creepy looking hitman

It really felt like poor Constance is now completely out of her depth. She keeps getting approached by shady journalists and weird ladies picking random fights with her now, not to mention assassins from whatever conspiracy Lily Orlamunde discovered. I am not sure Scarlett and Randolph and her new friend Abigail can protect her from all that.

I laughed at that newspaper article. How can anyone think sweet and innocent Connie is now doing drugs and orgies is beyond me. That journalist’s imagination is something else.

Connie should be fine! It looked like Scarlet shielded her from the bullet with her... body.

[](#emiliaohdear)

I get that she wanted to confirm, but the guy was already obviously suspicious. She didn't need to trigger him with the kiriku thing lolll

I mean, I appreciate the fact that there are a lot of moving pieces. Like it becomes clear that the princess, even if calculating, might not be the real reason for Scarlet's death and could even be a victim on their own with how someone tries to her not getting a child.

But the story suffers from it moving way too fast. Like the whole hidden tea party was not set up well. What is the potential consequence for Constance here if everything stays inside this room anyway? Like what are they going to do if they find her "guilty"? Kill her? And was Constance's whole plan to just get this one girl to confess who the leader is? Wouldn't it be easier to do that outside of this tea party? Then you already have something you can use. It ultimately seemed there was a lot skipped and while I can make some assumptions about it, the show just doesn't give me enough information that the tension truly comes across.

All the intrigue is interesting but at the same time it's almost too much intrigue with too many characters at once.

Really bad evidence for Scarlet being the one to poison Cecilia, as presented literally all of it could have been planted by someone else. I wonder if Cecilia was taking that abortifacient intentionally or if she really has been being poisoned that much that often.

Honestly wasn’t prepared for how overwhelming this show was gonna be

The pacing of the episode felt really fast, it was just one thing after the other without letting anything sit.

Trapped in a carriage and Constance thought is to stir up even more trouble by making the guy more hostile lol.

The story feels like a list of checkboxes being ticked off one by one. The investigation is a series of things that must happen, but the journey isn't made interesting. There are throngs of characters, but they are written with the sole intention of being pieces of the mystery, rather than being interesting.

It doesn't feel like Constance and Scarlet are using their options competently. Scarlet is capable of danger free espionage, but instead they constantly have Constance meet dangerous people. During the tribunal they proclaimed victory and switched back without waiting to find out how the opposing side is even going to react. It felt unnatural Constance needed to be bailed out by a benevolent third party without Scarlet even trying to do anything.

It's also funny apparently everybody sees Constance looking at and reacting to Scarlet, but only one person pointed it out.

Connie my waifu needs to stay alive Ulster better save her but this is getting too good

Felt like a parade of characters coming after Constance this episode, lol.

Too many names family names and stuff, I find it hard to keep track of who's who and who's being mentioned. Who died who cheated on who - still enjoying it but I feel like I have to learn who's who or i'll get even more confused

Did ~~Eris~~ Grail (can't even remember MC's name lmao) tell her new fiancé that she can see Scarlet's ghost? He asked her *Is Scarlet here?* didn't he? I forgot.


Is the princess? queen? drinking abortion tea on purpose or unknowingly?

What a weird informal kangaroo court, but at least it nets Constance a new ally. Looks like Randolph is looking after her, since he enlisted Abigail to help.

But now it looks like Constance has been noticed by reporters and gossips, and has to endure their prodding and invented nonsense. And a kidnapping / assassination attempt, apparently by whatever the group responding to that secret phrase is.

Cecilia is quite the interesting character, drinking abortion causing tea in order to not get pregnant with an heir.

-Rundolph and Connie are so cute together, definitely a power couple


-I always thought it was Cécilia who accused Scarlett of poisoning her, but maybe that's not the case since she seemed to be drinking the abortive poison unknowingly?

-Who could have kidnapped the Prince of Faris and for what purpose?

-It looks like Connie has made some enemies with that strange driver who shot at her? He seems to have reacted with Lily’s kirikiru, I wonder what that means besides him being a bad person ~

Guys, I think Scarlett might be a Sith lord.

The main character pisses me tf off; I can’t stand the useless/helpless damsel w no traits except kindness; makes me sick and the character so flat. Boooo 👎

This isn't for those with bad memories because the rate at which they're introducing these characters is crazy fast, also the names Abigail and Amelia are way too close looking. 


They just ever so casually, a whole kid prince is just missing, but it's the fake drugs and orgies that make the headlines. Poor Connie. Also gun, so again poor Connie.

The pacing is ugh, kinda too fast huh

Why the fuck did she not find her fiancee and tell him about the shifty merchant who's been poisoning the crown princess?


"If you wanna know if someone is a bad guy, say this magic word to them, and if they immediately pull out a pistol and try to shoot you, then they are a bad guy."


Nice to know that Scarlett is able to affect the physical realm a bit, I wonder what the limits are. Obviously not enough to stop a shooter.

I really like the story but the pacing does feel too fast, more so on this episode than the last. I find it funny how Constance said she will be the one helping Scarlet but still got taken over by her 🤣

Looks like the cult is finally coming for Connie. And I'm betting the Darkians are part of it. On the other hand, I still can't figure Cecilia out. Is she like a spy for Faris? Is the abortion poison something she knows about and actively ordering from Vado? Whatever the case, somebody definitely wants a diplomatic rift or is actively trying to pull down the royalty.

I cast GUN

Been waiting for Abigail to finally appear and here she is love her so much

Constance's ex-fiancée makes a very brief appearance. Seems him and his father's company are still standing and Constance goes to hin for assistance in getting info on the mysterious Vado