"Omae Gotoki ga Maou ni Kateru to Omouna" to Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta node, Outo de Kimama ni Kurashitai • Roll Over And Die

"Omae Gotoki ga Maou ni Kateru to Omouna" to Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta node, Outo de Kimama ni Kurashitai • Roll Over And Die - Episode 4 discussion

*"Omae Gotoki ga Maou ni Kateru to Omouna" to Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta node, Outo de Kimama ni Kurashitai*, episode 4

Alternative names: *Do You Think Someone Like You Can Defeat the Demon King?, Roll Over and Die: I Will Fight for an Ordinary Life with My Love and Cursed Sword!*

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szalhi2026-01-29 17:12

["She said the thing!"](https://i.imgur.com/cVhkDh1.jpeg)

[The best kind.](https://i.imgur.com/zcip2hw.jpeg)

Aerodynamic412026-01-29 17:18

Of course the Church is actually evil lol.

marcostadeusc2026-01-29 17:37

Idk how many nickels I already have

AceSoldia2026-01-29 18:26

All the nickels

Joji10002026-01-29 18:58

Probably a millionaire by now or something

heimdal772026-01-29 20:19

Don't even need fiction to get rich off of it.

Galinhooo2026-01-29 19:29

Well, they were already plenty evil by monopolizing healing and making medicine illegal.

Striking-Ad16852026-01-30 03:43

How in the hell would they realistically even police that tho?

pornomancer902026-01-30 04:33

You forbid people from openly using it, which first forces those that have deeper knowledge into hiding or abandoning the craft, which causes knowledge about to be lost.

Those who still practice it are then in danger of being ratted out, so they have to be selective with who they treat.

Not that this would completely stop the usage of medicine, but it severely limits it, which gives the church a monopoly on treating the sick, which makes them more powerful. The question is if the ban on medicine was a pure powerplay or just zealotry, probably a mix of both.

HornedTurtle12122026-01-30 04:53

It also makes it harder to pass knowledge on to the next generation. Normally they would take on apprentices, but with it outlawed, an apprentice is a liability if you could even find anyone interested.

Elvenoob2026-01-29 20:43

Eeeeeh, as much as clearly-abrahamic-religion-is-actually-evil is a trope because, well, look at real history, this show is kinda doing it's own thing, any attempt to compare Origin to any real world religion has already wholly broken down and we're only in the 4th episode lmao.

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 23:15

I bet that Originism also eliminated the Abrahamic equivalent of that world too.

CommanderZx22026-01-29 21:31

There is really almost nothing original in this story, the only exception being the reversal ability but that just means they must find cursed OP gear into of regular OP gear.

mekerpan2026-01-29 21:52

And royal government...

BosuW2026-01-29 23:01

Evil Church is not surprising but I'm still curious about what exactly they fucked with because I doubt they intentionally designed all these abominations to go after Flum superficially.

Also why is the lab abandoned?

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:15

The book made it seem like the experiment went out of control and whoever was doing it ran away (or possibly ended up dead).

Edit: or spiralfaced.

frand__2026-01-30 01:38

The book and creepy status disagree. Honestly that's probably why she was stuffed in the hero's party, so they could use her and make her hate demons or at least keep her controlled.

>Also why is the lab abandoned?

I mean one of the things broke out, I would fuck off too. Plus it seems like they just changed places since that hall seemed pretty clean and new.

ObvsThrowaway51202026-01-29 17:21

Looks like Flum and Sara have stumbled upon some real conspiracy shit. So demons are good here and the church are the shady bastards? Interesting. Neigass is a waifu so even if she was evil, I’d give her a pass haha.

I have a feeling that wasn’t Flum at the door. Milkit is in trouble….

Snoo_546362026-01-29 17:40

Demons are always good in anime other then a few outliners

HeliosAlpha2026-01-29 18:14

There are definitely more than a few outliers; however, when there is both an evil/demonic faction and a holy/angelic faction, the holy one is almost always the more cruel and inhuman one

YdenMkII2026-01-29 18:32

Eh I wouldn't say they're always good but they do humanize demons quite often so they're not irredeemably evil. Churches, on the other hand, are almost always dens of corruption.

Zeikos2026-01-29 19:28

> Churches, on the other hand, are almost always dens of corruption.

Which is accurate and based.

Initial-Tadpole63952026-01-29 19:39

It's accurate, but also very predictable, which from a story point-of-view isn't great.

CommanderZx22026-01-29 21:28

It would indeed be more of a surprise in the story if the church was actually good all along and was trying to do good via questionable means.

BosuW2026-01-29 22:38

Eh being predictable is not necessarily bad, what matters is what they do with it (...which granted, is almost always ass). If surprises was all that mattered in a story we would never rewatch anything.

PerfectBeige2026-01-29 19:45

I'd say you get a full spectrum of demon types, from the irremediable carnivores of Frieren, to the types capable of good or evil, but generally better than humans of Helck and Chillin' in Another World with Level 2 Super Cheat Powers, to the absolute balls of pudding of 'Tis Time for Torture Princess.

But given Roll Over and Die, 'Tis Time for Torture, and Dou in The Demon King's Daughter is Too Kind!! we seem to be getting a lot of demon ~~propaganda~~ positive representation this season.

TyraniTEMPESTar2026-01-29 17:49

Flum and Sara just stumbled upon a world shattering conspiracy, something that would flip society on it's head head and create massive turmoil... yet they still were concerned about finding one of those "kialahri" flowers for Mr. Leitch's sick wife lol.
Good for them being able to stick to their original mission and morals.

But where do they go from here?
The Church is evil.
The Kingdom is at a minimum shady and suspicious, if not evil as well.
The Heroes party has turned their back on Flum, and that Jean sage is downright bad and shady, if not evil as well.
Could he be aware of the truth about the church and kingdom, or is he just a regular old asshole?

I guess their only options are to try and do something on their own, or team up with the demons?
Considering Neigass saved them and they seem to be the "good" guys here.

Wonder what that core of the Ogre really was and its significance.
Since it came from that experimental laboratory and Neigass wanted it.

TheBusStop122026-01-29 21:22

>The Heroes party has turned their back on Flum

I don't think this is necessarily true. At least not all of them. I get the feeling the warrior dude, the magician lady and the hero herself all do care for Flume. To me at least it came over that the hero had the sage expell flum so harshly from the party because she was worried about her and it was the only way she would actually leave and go home. I'd be worried about someone with absolutely no stats as well. Because they never figured out reversal Flum was highly likely to die on the trip. I don't think anyone was aware the sage actually planned to sell her into slavery

Malty_S_Melromarc_2026-01-30 01:22

To be fair I think that probably everyone {except the guy who kicked her from party} hero’s party like Flum and miss her.

frand__2026-01-30 03:15

I think the priestess will grow to hate her since Flum will be weary of the church's teachings and since she hates demons Flum's positive attitude and the other heroes' passiveness will definitely piss her off.

>To me at least it came over that the hero had the sage expell flum so harshly from the party because she was worried about her and it was the only way she would actually leave and go home. I'd be worried about someone with absolutely no stats as well. Because they never figured out reversal Flum was highly likely to die on the trip. I don't think anyone was aware the sage actually planned to sell her into slavery.

To me that scene came off as the sage gaslighting her by lying to her saying he is worried about her instead of it being because he hated flum, it didn't seem like it was the hero's idea, she clearly enjoyed having Flum around and got terribly depressed. He probably needed her approval in part to lie to Flum and in part to officially kick Flum since the hero is the de facto leader of the hero's party so her word probably meant more in that regard (even if the party was somewhat democratic).

It didn't seem like anyone in the party knew about her even leaving much less being sold into slavery.

gnome-cop2026-01-30 15:22

I think that’s basically what happened. As far as the rest of them are aware, Flum’s back home and doing normal people stuff far away from any danger. So none of them are aware that their sage is a piece of garbage that sold her off into slavery to get rid of her to get with her friend or something.

OldInstruction53682026-01-30 02:24

> that Jean sage is downright bad and shady, if not evil as well.
> Could he be aware of the truth about the church and kingdom, or is he just a regular old asshole?

It was heavily implied in a previous episode that Jean took out Flum because of a love triangle. Jean has the hots for the Hero Girl, forget her name, but she was the closest friend to Flum since they were both country bumpkins.

Jean saw a potential yuri ship getting in the way of monopolizing the other girl, so he decided to "kill the hypotenuse" as a way of "winning." That and gaslighting the other girl into going along with the plan "for Plum's sake."

It also seems like she wasn't supposed to be *really* sold into slavery, as it wasn't a full brand at first. It wasn't until the slaver painted the special ink over it afterwards that she became a 'real' slave, but the Hero Girl had left by that point.

I'm inferring that she wasn't told the 'real' plan by Jean. They were just supposed to drive her away, so the weakest Hero wouldn't die on their mission, and not actually sell her into slavery. Ofc, Jean being a complete shithead wouldn't tell the Hero Girl that part even as he arranged it with the Slaver.

The rest of hte Heroes seem pretty chill. They appreciated the effort Flum put into doing camp chores and whatever other help she could muster. So even if she was weak, her heart was in the right place. They even took time to mentor her.

frand__2026-01-30 02:30

>Flum and Sara just stumbled upon a world shattering conspiracy, something that would flip society on it's head head and create massive turmoil... yet they still were concerned about finding one of those "kialahri" flowers for Mr. Leitch's sick wife lol.

Yeah I was thinking "Shouldn't you be worried about how you'll handle exposing this".

>The Heroes party has turned their back on Flum, and that Jean sage is downright bad and shady, if not evil as well.
Could he be aware of the truth about the church and kingdom, or is he just a regular old asshole?

The heroes didn't turn their back on Flum, only the sage who seemed to always have hated her since he is the "I'm better than all of you" type of smart hero, the others were clearly sad and mad as hell that he pushed her out (since clearly none of them is falling for his "she left of her own accord" bullshit) especially Cyrill since she blames herself too because he gaslighted/blackmailed her.

Maybe the priestess will hate her next time they meet since Flum will be weary of the church and she seems to have a deep hatred for demons.

I'm betting he is just an asshole, he had to sell her illegally and did so on his own without the knowledge of anyone in the party or the church, which is probably super pissed off.

Also, the church and/or kingdom placed her there for a reason (to either use her or keep her controlled) and the church knights raided the placed where she was being kept enslaved so they clearly wanted to get her before she could escape or something to seem like the good guys to her or imprison/experiment on her.

>Wonder what that core of the Ogre really was and its significance.
Since it came from that experimental laboratory and Neigass wanted it.

Likely to study how they made the monsters and how to kill them since she was surprised flum could destroy the core and her bubble attack thing didn't even scratch it. It seems like the only way to actually kill them since the werewolf thingy from episode 2 was still alive.

fractal_magnets2026-01-29 17:54

Awww Neigass is a sweetheart

Careful_Ad_90772026-01-29 18:04

*are

JordanTH2026-01-29 19:37

/r/confidentlyincorrect

Awful_At_Math2026-01-29 21:29

I think they're just making a slur "joke".

Nachtwandler_FS2026-01-29 19:35

My yuri googles see another ship...

BosuW2026-01-29 22:22

A priestess and a demon. What is this _Tales of Berseria_?

mmcjawa_reborn2026-01-29 22:50

specifically a naughty nun and a demon...

PerfectBeige2026-01-29 19:36

Imagine my surprise when the non-human lady voiced by Ami Koshimizu, who also voiced Holo, turns out to be the good guy.

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:11

She also voiced an evil goddess in one of those other edgelord kicked out of the party animes which I can't remember the name of right now. It was the one where the guy had the weakest ability which turned out to be the strongest ability.

But the point is she's not always the good guy.

PerfectBeige2026-01-30 00:17

Vicius in Failure Frame. She seemed to have a ton of fun with that one.

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:40

She was the about the only good thing in that anime. Though the horse with three sets of hind legs that rotated like a wheel was at least memorable.

darthvall2026-01-30 13:16

The monster design started out as quite different, until at some point the quality shows well

OldInstruction53682026-01-30 02:08

The only way to enjoy such a terrible script would be to chew the scenery. Just go full camp in ironic joy of the slop.

Because DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN, that show was so bad it was impossible to take seriously.

depravedQ2026-01-30 09:27

It's crazy how little that narrows it down lol

Clemastina2026-01-29 17:56

[She said the thing!!!](https://imgur.com/a/MR8J9sF) (and another episode of Flum losing a limb... is this gonna be a thing every week?)

Oh wait! It wasn´t the adventurers guild but the church who created the spiral thing monsters??? And now the church is corrupt??? That is totally unexpected!!!!
And even the demons are the good guys compared to the church, ffs this world is totally messed up.

# But more importantly... [DEMON YURI OMGGGGGGG](https://imgur.com/a/Yscz002)

She totally has a crush on Sara omg i´m fangirling so hard. But well... the demon or was lying a bit or she realized she fell in love with a human

And I really hope Milkit doesn´t get caught in anything bad at the end... (she totally will and Flum will save her)

SopmodTew2026-01-29 20:11

>farlinging

You what 😅

Clemastina2026-01-29 20:13

Lesbiasing

TheRejectBin2026-01-29 20:26

Girls

Roeclean2026-01-30 00:08

YURIFICATION YURIFICATION YURIFICATION

mekerpan2026-01-29 21:54

I am pretty sure Milkitt is destined to be a kidnapping victim. All the omens were there.

frand__2026-01-30 01:20

> It wasn´t the adventurers guild but the church who created the spiral thing monsters??? And now the church is corrupt??? That is totally unexpected!!!!

That Dein guy 100% has something to do with it since it was mentioned he had connections with powerful people and one of the knights was "scared" of him. He probably is the goon that puts them out (and is trying to hunt flum down).

>She totally has a crush on Sara

How old is Sara because she looks 12....

OldInstruction53682026-01-30 02:14

> It wasn´t the adventurers guild but the church who created the spiral thing monsters??? And now the church is corrupt??? That is totally unexpected!!!!
>
> That Dein guy 100% has something to do with it since it was mentioned he had connections with powerful people and one of the knights was "scared" of him. He probably is the goon that puts them out (and is trying to hunt flum down).

Dein also sent Flum straight towards the Spiral Chimera Werewolf. He could have picked any dangerous looking job to send her, but he sent her to the Spiral Death Demon one.

As shady as he is, I doubt that was a coincidence.

dinliner082026-01-30 11:38

>and another episode of Flum losing a limb... is this gonna be a thing every week?

i mean, if you have a protagonist that can regenerate missing limbs like Plum then it would be a waste not to show her doing that every week

Hitman71282026-01-29 18:02

Those “sore demos” whilst Flum glows blue and slams the ogre.

So demons good, church evil. The way Neigass blushed when Sara thanked her.

PerfectBeige2026-01-29 19:37

>The way Neigass blushed when Sara thanked her.

And breaks up an awkward moment with flower magic. Bad people don't break up awkward moments with flower magic. Well maybe with evil flower magic that makes carnivorous rampaging flowers or something, but not with "petals in the wind" flower magic.

frand__2026-01-30 01:14

No but intelligent manipulators do, probably won't be the case but still.

frand__2026-01-30 01:13

Had to look up what sore demos was, thought it was some jargon lol, I was so confused with the comments lol.

budderiolu12026-01-29 18:25

The demon and monster in this are just so freakin cool.

Also just a minor complaint that may turn major if it keeps happening. THAT NARRORATOR! WHY ARE THEY HERE!?!? It's ruining all the tension and it doesn't even explain any new information in the scene that isn't already shown. It's like it's allergic to us taking in the moment, I need it to stop, expeditiously!

fuzzynyanko2026-01-29 19:23

I wonder if the narrator is that Netflix effect, where they want things to be described

Elvenoob2026-01-29 20:59

Oh gods it absolutely is a netflix-ism, where they expect people to be doing something else instead of paying attention.

That's destroyed so many stories that had the potential to be better.

Falsus2026-01-29 20:29

Yeah it is a pretty bad decision by the director, especially making her just state super obvious things like her face is a spiral! Like yeah we can totally see that!

Keated2026-01-29 21:17

I'm hoping it turns out to be an outside observer of some kind, a character in their own right

skavinger58822026-01-29 22:45

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diacewrb2026-01-29 18:54

Guessing we are in some post apocalyptic timeline with Umbrella Corporation forming their own church.

With all the spirals, half-expecting Simon and Kamina to show up.

kalirion2026-01-29 19:00

Last weekend I started playing Dark Souls 3, and these mutated monsters remind me of the game's "abyss-corrupted" enemies like Pus of Man. Though the DS3 enemies had no "spiral" motif, of course.

What kind of child says "OK" when another child tells her "Don't look!"?

God I wish the narrator would just shut the fuck up.

I like how the spiral girl was nice enough to stopped pulling MC inside her to give MC time to look around for the source of the foot steps.

I'm so glad the gauntlet wasn't lost. Spiral Ogre the MVP for that.

Why would discarded corpses in a corpse pile have cursed gear in the first place? And why did they need to dig instead of using Appraisal to find it?

She removed the corpse leg from the boot and pulled the boot on in the half second it took the spiral ogre to stand up. I guess her stats make her fast at doing these things.

"Plum when you're fighting an opponent several times your strength, ask them to wait a minute while you power up."

Why did the monster stop regenerating when she did the sword aura attack? Oh, it didn't, that makes more sense. Also, where did the ice come from? I know the boot said it freezes you, nothing about it freezing enemies you attack with a sword.

I'm guessing Milkit gets kidnapped there after all.

So, um, is this show's story basically Helck, but with the demons more serious than goofy, and without Helck?

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 19:17

About cursed gear. The anime skipped it since it's a bit obvious to those who know how cursed item works. Grudges posseses items, thus it's easier to find cursed gear on corpses, especially those who died under horrible circumstances.

kalirion2026-01-29 19:24

So it wasn't cursed when they were alive? OK. Still weird for it to be EPIC level, and more than twice higher (or lower without reversal) stats than the sword! From a *single* boot!

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 19:56

The sword has a ridiculous ability. Another thing skipped is that the sword curse gets stronger after killing, that's why it's called Soul Eater.

EDIT: Forgot to say that it's probable that the curse on the boots is the accumulation of grudges from the experimental victims and even if it weren't, the grudge from dying like that should be high

kalirion2026-01-29 20:07

> The sword has a ridiculous ability. Another thing skipped is that the sword curse gets stronger after killing, that's why it's called Soul Eater.

After killing who - the wielder or the enemy? Without reversal it would've been impossible to kill an enemy with it, so it's gotta be the former, but that means it won't get any stronger anymore unless some thief manages to steal it.

> Forgot to say that it's probable that the curse on the boots is the accumulation of grudges from the experimental victims and even if it weren't, the grudge from dying like that should be high

Boots? It's just the one boot, right?

Elvenoob2026-01-29 20:57

>After killing who - the wielder or the enemy?

Why would the sword discriminate? It's getting lunch either way.

kalirion2026-01-29 21:01

It's not *melting* the victims it stabs and slices though, right? Or would it start melting them after a while if it stabbed them and remained inside?

Elvenoob2026-01-29 21:07

They're seperate effects, you're in litrpg land. Like the only good litrpg actually.

So, think like a video game

* This sword causes it's wielder to dissolve and die
* This sword gets more cursed when it causes a creature to die.
* \- a bunch of stat points just as a fuck you while you're dissolving.

Because the first and last magical effect target Flum, they get inverted, and because of the phrasing of the middle effect, any method of the sword causing a death activates it just fine.

kalirion2026-01-29 21:37

> Like the only good litrpg actually.

How dare you not Love Large Chests.

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 21:27

Sword curse gets stronger just from killing, but I guess it shouldn't be a peaceful death.

Falsus2026-01-29 20:27

Those boots pretty much carries the all the accumulated resentment of all the victims in that pile of bodies, so epic makes sense.

And while it has better stats the sword I don't think it's ability is as broken as instantly melting someone's body to goo. Or in Flum's case instant super regen.

YdenMkII2026-01-29 19:34

>I know the boot said it freezes you, nothing about it freezing enemies you attack with a sword.

I guess this world takes the reverse of freezes self to freezes others instead of my original thought of freeze immunity.

kalirion2026-01-29 19:36

Maybe it would make sense if she'd kicked it. But have we even seen the sword melting enemies? She just cuts them instead.

The sword's melting reversal gives her regen, so the freezing reversal should give her auto-thawing.

welfedad2026-01-29 19:42

Was expecting her to do something involving kicking and then freezing .. but ok sword it is

Falsus2026-01-29 20:25

> Why would discarded corpses in a corpse pile have cursed gear in the first place? And why did they need to dig instead of using Appraisal to find it?

Cursed gear is created when resentment builds up. So a pile of dead bodies is like the best place to find cursed gear. I assume they needed to dig through the bodies to appraise stuff since I assume you gotta see the thing you want to appraise.

WetRocksManatee2026-01-29 20:28

>God I wish the narrator would just shut the fuck up.

Yeah, it is like it is part of some second screen mandate.

Shmappii2026-01-29 19:11

Big fan of how quickly we're getting more information on the foreshadowed "Church bad, Demons misunderstood" plotline. That kind of thing can just linger until a season finale while the protagonist beats up jobbers, but this show went for the pile of bodies next to a cross approach and I appreciate it.

frand__2026-01-30 01:53

>next to a cross approach

Damn I missed that.

NationalStrategy2026-01-29 19:15

Well it turns out that the Church are the real bad guys. I'm so surprised, I doubt anyone saw that coming.

ErenIsNotADevil2026-01-29 19:18

**Sore demo**

That is all

fuzzynyanko2026-01-29 19:22

Sara is very clever after all. She was smart enough to wait until later to bring up that she's Flum Apricot and not scream it when The Incredible Hulk was after them.

That demon general was incredibly nice, though many generals tend to be slick talkers. She could have easily eliminated The Chosen One. Then again, The Chosen One now owes her one and it might sway The Chosen One to her side just enough.

"Ara. Is that Flum-chan?" Ah, we have one lady that's probably an ara-ara lady (intelligent kind) and the 'su girl that calls Flum Onee-san. Also, exploding flowers

NationalStrategy2026-01-29 19:24

I'm confused, how does Neigass know Flum, and how is Flum connected to the spiral faced beings and the church experiments?

SS43122026-01-29 19:29

Flum was a member of the hero party after all, which is why the demon knows her.

NationalStrategy2026-01-29 19:54

Thank you, but even that explanation is leaving me question this.

Flum usually stayed hidden in the back of the party, when would she have met Flum during those encounters?

SopmodTew2026-01-29 20:14

She's a demon investigator. You think she didn't find info on all the hero party members?

NationalStrategy2026-01-29 20:31

Fair point

Nachtwandler_FS2026-01-29 19:49

Flum was a part of hero party. They fought demon army top generals a few times before as we were hinted last episode when the party was clashing with another guy and Negrass intervened.

NationalStrategy2026-01-29 20:01

Sure, but wasn't Flum usually stayed hidden while everyone else were fighting? When would they have met for Neigass to learn her name?

Bungled_Bengal2026-01-29 19:36

Sara chan's too adorable for even demons to resist. I demand her hair gets ruffled every episode!

welfedad2026-01-29 19:43

Ikr..she is like a golden retriever

skeleton_clique_1432026-01-29 19:40

that last scene makes me fear that it might've not been Flum that knocked Milkit's door

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:17

I was worried about that as soon as they left her alone last episode. But if it was going to be the bad guys, I would have expected them to show them for a better cliff hanger. I'm not sure what to think with them leaving it ambiguous.

frand__2026-01-30 01:16

Milikit is a walking death flag, especially in a "fucked up setting" anime.

frand__2026-01-30 01:15

Either the goons that Dein guy sent or the church.

OldInstruction53682026-01-30 02:12

It's going to be Dein's goons. He tried to get Flum killed for kicks, then she turned around and got two of his goons busted by the authorities.

He also has a nose for trouble and knows the Church was looking into the death of that Slaver. He didn't know it was the same slaver that bought Flum, but I guarantee he's going to figure that out sooner rather than later.

In the meantime, he's going to kidnap Milikt while she's out in the sticks to use as bait to lure in Flum.

BiggerG72026-01-29 19:41

Is it too much to ask to get an episode where Flum doesn’t get a limb chopped off?

CerberusZX2026-01-29 23:25

It's an edgy action series. Losing limbs and gore in general is meant to be part of the appeal.

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 23:50

Nope. That's part of the appeal and she gets brutalized more and more as the enemies starts to finish their preparations.

Queue_Jumping_Quack2026-01-29 19:43

For a not so high quality production, the dungeon was quite creepy. Its like some mad scientist laboratory with the abandoned specimens.

I still hate the inclusion of the stupid stats, but I like how Flum was obviously observant of the techniques of the other heroes back when she was too weak to use their them.

The big mystery of why Flum's name keeps coming up with these "spiral" experiments persist, though it looks like this setting is one of the ones where the Vhurch is evil and the demons are good, or at least not evil. Not the most original "twist" these days...

I bet its the thugs behind the door, and they will kidnap Milkit forcing a rescue mission in the next episode.

CerberusZX2026-01-29 23:18

When I was reading the light novel I forgave the story for including game elements after seeing how well it used the monster's weird status screen for tension/horror. Obviously that detail wasn't nearly as unsettling in this adaptation.

frand__2026-01-30 01:56

How is it described?

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KajarRanginLaya2026-01-30 00:13

With so many spirals, my mind got reminded of "Uzumaki" (Spiral) by Junji Ito. I was waiting so much for the narrator to said "Uzumaki" and finally got my shot lmao.

darthvall2026-01-30 13:42

Yeah, demon being good and church evil is not original.

However, I'm really intrigued by how Flum's name keeps appearing. Hope that the plot reveal will be worth

DtLS19832026-01-29 20:08

"Don't look."

10 minutes later, drags her into the mass grave with her.

lol.

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:12

I wanted it to be a surprise.

SopmodTew2026-01-29 20:11

My Yuri senses are tingling

heimdal772026-01-29 20:17

Gee the church is evil. Who ever would of thought.

Pretty convenient she finds cured item that is boots after having just lost hers from losing her leg and they are a perfect fit.

Komi0282026-01-29 20:57

Didn't they already say the cursed items adjust to her size?

Exciting_Storage62422026-01-29 20:32

I would like my yuri with a side of yuri, please.

DocMcCoy2026-01-29 21:39

And some yuri sauce too, please

gnome-cop2026-01-29 21:40

Church? Evil.
Sara? Adorable.
Inn(Hotel)? Under attack(Trivago).

Okay, this is genuinely some Orochimaru level shit. Why did they ever think creating that abomination was a good idea? Yes, I know the answer is “evil” but still.

Now for the more important question, why do the spiral abominations seem to know Flum by name? Wild based off literally nothing speculation, the church is attempting to create a body for their god Origin to incarnate into and that’s the purpose of the experiments and why they know the name of a person they’ve never met.

You know things are bad when even the supposed “bad guy” demons agree that what that sage ass did to Flum is beyond heinous.

Okay but seriously, Neigass actually seems pretty nice.

I wonder if there’s some sort of territorial dispute, like humans colonizing demon’s lands that’s behind the conflict?

I genuinely like most of this show but unfortunately it’s reminding me of my hatred for video game stats based power systems. It didn’t work when SDS did it and it doesn’t work here. And can the narrator shut up with saying stuff like “Then, the grass was green” like it’s something that needs to be stated aloud? It’s probably a remnant of light novel storytelling but can the show just get rid of it already? (That’s enough, just needed to get that out of my system.)

Scar_Knight122026-01-30 01:40

At least it’s relatively restrained with the game mechanics, to the point you can basically just read it as an abstraction of a person’s natural abilities. Compare it to something like Reincarnated as a Sword and its endless lists of skills, and it’s like night and day.

hbmonk2026-01-29 21:50

I am simply shocked that the church is evil. Who could imagine such a thing.

Flum called upon the power of yuri to defeat the spiral ogre!

The demon lady's "Crimson Sphere" was actually blue. 🤔

Nun x Demon yuri is peak.

BosuW2026-01-29 22:11

This started super generic except for the MC gender change but it gets more interesting by the episode. It's a shame about being un such a competitive season and the fact that "trust me bro it gets better" is an understandably burnt excuse at this point.

The atmosphere in the abandoned lab was really well done (except for the narrator). It felt like a truly God forsaken place.

So Origin symbology has to do with spirals huh. Will be good to remember that.

frand__2026-01-30 14:14

Idk if it's getting less generic, maybe a bit more exciting.

>(except for the narrator)

Seems like I'm the only one in the comments who liked it lol.

Luck_Is_My_Talent2026-01-29 23:17

70+ years demon getting a crush with a 10 years old kid.

You know, maybe demons are evil.

SYZekrom2026-01-29 23:53

Neigass... I think this is one of the times where I'd support a dub renaming a character for English

Wait no who's at Milkit's door. Don't you dare

actuallyrndthoughts2026-01-29 23:55

What a weird production, the scenes look generally nice but they got nobody to animate the action even the slightest bit. Anyways, for the rare edgy anime, this is still decent

Roeclean2026-01-30 00:07

Ah cool, said the THINGG.

And a universe completely opposite from Frieren in demon life. Nice

The_Parsee_Man2026-01-30 00:19

It's convenient that boots and gauntlets get cursed in pairs. Imagine finding just one cursed boot and having to hobble around in mismatched footwear.

Of course, the fact that they also fit is just standard fantasy gear stuff.

frand__2026-01-30 12:29

You think regular gear weakness her? I've been taking reversal as mostly inverse curses but with the healing thing on this episode you might be right.

Atomiclizard4562026-01-30 00:28

Flum lost limbs counter

Arms:3
Legs:1
Total limbs:4

Narvalis2026-01-30 01:44

I had 2 feelings before this and this episode all but confirmed both. 1: The humans with the church at the center are the bad guys and to a powerful degree. 2: I love Neigass she has a sweet yet flippant personality which has always been my weakness, she also looks and sounds great.

KiraDreamchaser2026-01-30 02:50

This show is getting better and better, Love that we finally have a serious grim dark fantasy with a girl as the hero, I know it's a lot to hope for, but I hope this ends up doing good enough to get another season, so they don't have to rush to an ending this season. Also, Love Neigass, she's so caring!

Striking_Chard24202026-01-30 03:19

I love the narrator popping in from time to time especially in this episode where she was basically speaking in tandem with Flum. Also Neigass best girl? Neigass best girl.

ghostpickleonastick2026-01-30 09:18

Me, previously: "The narrator isn't really necessary."

Me, this episode: "And *yet*."

frand__2026-01-30 14:40

Agreed, I like the tone and conjugation, it feels like it's adding in little snippets of the novel into the anime.

iacondios2026-01-30 03:33

Everyone ooh-ing and ahh-ing over the wholesome post-disaster chat with the friendly neighborhood demon, but I know you're all trying to look past the fact that Flum had healing cast on her arm to weaken it to the point that *she ripped her own arm in half by pulling on it*. This show REALLY embraces the gore factor. Also thinking about how that reversal worked, did healing magic cause her arm to decay???

djthomp2026-01-30 03:59

Evil church, kinda typical, hot demon lady that saves Flum and Sara and is a really nice person? Hell yeah.

Sara was added to the ED this episode which makes me think we'll get to keep her. There are two more empty chairs at the ED table too so I imagine they'll be picking up a few more people to fill out the party. I assume more girls since why break that streak.

acedias122026-01-30 04:46

Compared to so many, banished from party stories, this one is actually interested in telling a story and some world building. While I don't like that the person responsible for kicking the MC out of the party is the stereotypical evil guy with glasses, the narrative for this does so much more than just the "MC finds out they're actually OP after leaving party" route.

I love that the warrior of her former party played quite a bit of a mentor role to the MC despite her being conventionally perceived as weak. His willingness to impart to her knowledge has been bearing fruit ever since she left the party.

Muffin-zetta2026-01-30 04:56

That sphere was not crimson