Digimon Beatbreak - Episode 17 discussion
*Digimon Beatbreak*, episode 17
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She is fucking up and will find out once things blow up in her face, but that's more comeuppance than redemption
Hotaruko's backstory may not be as "harrowing" as Granit's but its still very compelling, gives me the same vibes as someone who got kicked out of highschool and had to get a seedy job to support themselves and their family. It really doesn't matter how much Hotaruko may or may not agree with tactic's methods, she needs this job more then anything.
Also poor Makoto. He just wanted to help but all he did was be reminded of his own weakness. At least he got to help Hotaruko's mother, which was sweet.
But yeah good episode. Excited to see where Hotaruko's and Makoto's development goes from here.
Also I love burgermon.
This is false, she lost her ability to pursuit her original goals, but her family is not poor and they are not in need of her taking on a shady job to help them survive
She did it mostly because she needed to keep appearances after dropping out
Nothing of what she is doing is something she is doing out of necessity
Her mother already told her that there's [no need for her to send them money](https://imgur.com/td2Z06f), we have seen that their business is not struggling
And when talking in confidence with Shakomon, Hotaruko confesses, that all of what she is doing is because she [doesn't thinks her mom can handle the truth](https://imgur.com/uP8ZY5n)
The truth is that Hotaruko is never kipped grades and graduated college joining the World Union, the truth is that she is a highschool dropout who fell in with the shadiest group of cleaners, and who is willing to put lil kids in a coma just to keep up appearances
Hotaruko probably IS an actual kid genius, she probably was an actual elite student, [after all that's all she ever did](https://imgur.com/bRK7Wu1), to the point that [she never made any friends](https://imgur.com/rhhvcQT), and then she manifested Shakomon and had to drop out
But instead of telling her mom, she made up a whole lie, because she doesn't think her mom could handle her daughter not being the elite girl she presents herself as
She is ashamed of herself, and is doing all this just to save face with her family
Her family is not poor, they are not struggling, they don't need the money, and this is not something she had to do, we are not dealing with starving kids stealing bread, or underprivileged teenagers joining gangs to survive, that's not her case, in fact compared to all of the other cleaners she is part of the privileged class, because in a world full of literal orphans and exiles, she is middle class!
She is fucking middle class!
The whole ideology of Tactics of bringing in results at the expense and sacrifice of everything and everyone, resonates deeply with Hotaruko's own ideology, because that's the kind of elite mindset she allegedly always had
However since her whole life is a damn lie, we have to wonder, was she EVER an actual elite student, was her dedication to academic success REALLY the reason why she never made any friends, or perhaps, maybe that was a lie too, and she was actually quite an average student, and her disagreeable and stuck up holier than you attitude is what keep her from making any friends
And the reason why she summoned Shakomon in the first place, was out of frustration from not being able to perform academically, deep down Hotaruko knows that she didn't had a future as an elite student, and instead of parting ways with Shakomon she used her as an excuse to quit school, and is now living her fake life in Tactics to keep up her image to her family
A family that once again, is not economically struggling, and doesn't needs her to send them money, or stop visiting them, and who cares more about her being able to make friends, than being an elite career woman
However she build her whole personality and image upon being the best of the top, and is now stuck keeping the lie up, she is not a teen joining a gang to save her family, she is a teen wearing fake jewelry and lying about being successful!
Feels like every member of Tactics is damaged in some way and really just need to be rescued in some capacity, however that might be possible.
She doesn't even has to confess about the part in which she works for a shady organization with loose morals
She is clearly not getting disowned
isn't Tactics under one of the Five-Stars? Who is, in turn, a member of World Union. I think she qualifies, just in a sort of detached way. Like becoming a cook in McDonald's and putting "working in a multinational company" in your resume kind of way.
So it is even more detached than that
All she is doing is just try to keep up a false image to her family of being a child genius and successful career woman, because the reality is that she dropped out of school, and the shame and lies pilled up
[She was always a result oriented kid on school](https://imgur.com/bRK7Wu1) to the point that [she never made friends](https://imgur.com/rhhvcQT), then manifested a digimon and had to drop out, the shame of failing to manage and become successful is what lead to her joining tactics, [and she is keeping up the lie because she doesn't thinks her mom can handle the truth,](https://imgur.com/uP8ZY5n) her family situation is actually just fine
They are not poor, they are middle class, and own their own home and their own business
This is not a story about a poor girl being forced to do evil in order to support her family, it is the story if failed elite girl who was unable to follow the main path and unable to talk it up to her family joined an evil organization in order to keep up a fake life and save face
Also na imagine getting bodied by a Burgamon (child version), Wolvermon may have beaten the jobber allegations last chapters, but boy does this look bad for Shakomon and Hotaruko that's straight out embarrassing, and Nightchiropmon also didn't fared much better, stakes so damn low i was struggling with trying to not skip the battles
Considerably mid episode, specially after the hard hitting one that was ep 16, in fact this may have been even weaker than ep 15
So far Hotaruko is the most boring support and antagonist character, her case and background are the least endearing among all the human characters, Makoto's childhood friend who was being used by her corrupt dad to kidnap Digimon is way better as a foil and counterpart, compared to her, Hotaruko's character is just lacking, she is also an hypocrite she herself is a privileged prick has a loving family, they own their own house and their own business, living a double life trying to keep up an unnecessary lie is not good enough when everyone else has parents in jail, is an orphan abandoned by their family, a refugee and war survivor, or was exiled from high society and their crooked dad tried to use the black market to get back in without them
The conflict on the episode itself was also really mundane, it is a wholesome fluffy pair of food thieves, compare that to a kid who is so obsessed with grades it decided to kidnap and put the competence in a coma, or a gang trying to kick and entire shopping district out of their houses to do real state fraud, or hell even Redvegiemon taking revenge too far and acting like a deranged bully wanting to kill the digimon partners in front of their humans for payback
I don't know who is behind the world building and character creation, but this episode just doesn't matches in with what the series has shown so far, we literally start with the protagonist losing his brother and being orphaned
Granit may be in for redemption, but Hotaruko is on the shit list, the only thing good out of her is her family, and that's not stopping her from being a scumbag that puts kids in the hospital chasing a paycheck that she doesn't really needs, her family is not actually poor, and she doesn't actually has to send money back, they are not in the struggle! you know who was in the struggle? Tomoro the damn protagonist!
##Edit:
People seem to think that Hotaruko's family is poor and financially struggling and in need of her economic support, [but that's not the case](https://imgur.com/td2Z06f)
[Hotaruko's background is that she was an elite student](https://imgur.com/bRK7Wu1), allegedly at least according to her mother (this is important later), who focused so much on academic success she [was never able to made friends](https://imgur.com/rhhvcQT), then eventually skipped grades, graduated college, and joined the World Union
To her family Hotaruko was and is a genius, a super elite member of society, and a successful career oriented woman
But all that is a lie, the reality is that Hotaruko is someone who looks down on others, is obsessed with the idea of being an elite and successful (in fact chances are that this is the real reason why she never was able to made friends, and not her "dedication to her studies"), and is willing to go tot he lowest lows in order to get results, despite the fact that she never finished high school because she actually dropped out of it
She of course blames it all on Shakomon, but given her bad personality, chances are she was already struggling academically and on her way to not becoming an elite student, similarly to the case from episode 08 The Vanishing Classroom, in which a student unable to keep up manifest a Mimicmon in order to literally remove the competition, chances are this is also the reason why Hotaruko ended up with Shakomon
But instead of getting rid of her partner digimon, or use it to cheat the system, she dropped up, and is now living a double lie that allows her to present a false narrative to her family and save face
The lies that she tells her family is also something that she deflects, she insist that she is doing it because [her mom wouldn't be able to handle the truth](https://imgur.com/uP8ZY5n), when the truth is that Hotaruko can't accept the fact that she is not an elite
Hotaruko's character is that of someone that is ashamed of herself, who poured her whole identity on becoming an elite member of society, and who has failed on making it a reality
In fact the episode is called Antipathy, she doesn't actually comes with a tragic backstory, she is living a mess of her own creation and blaming it one everyone else
Now with all that said, do i still think this is one of the weakest if not the weakest episode of the series? yes i do, because the direction of the episode was extremely poor to the point that most watcher totally missed the point, and misinterpret Hotaruko's whole situation, thinking that she is an underprivileged kid whose family needs her to send them money in order to survive, and that's not the case!
And yes, i still find her as a weak foil and counterpart to Makoto, and would have preferred that spot being reserved for her childhood friend
We also get the second conflict of the arc set, as Hotaruko sees his demeanor as a weak softness fostered by a life of privilege, even after becoming a cleaner, but also because he has no drive to become stronger and relies too much on his friends, reinforcing the belief that she can't rely on anyone and must do everything by herself, which is what happens.
Overall, this arc is setting the conflicts between the characts very well, but we're still at the start, so let's see what else they have in mind for this cast.
Ayyy Commandramon in next episode preview! D-Brigade is one of my favorite Digimon factions, I hope this Commandramon is not a one-off and there's the rest of the group in this show.
I think they had a rough idea of how Tactics would parallel Glowing Dawn but clearly put more thought into the details for some pairing over others. In this case I think their first thought was a poor kid taking on responsibilities they shouldn't need to versus a rich kid that ran away from theirs but that doesn't work because she isn't poor, sure maybe the business isn't doing great but we've seen how actual poor people live in this universe, Tomoro and his brother were slumming it in a neighborhood that was half submerged, Glowing Dawn are living in an abandoned building. Her family has a shop, she went to good school, they are not poor.
Even outside of that this plot doesn't work with how her personality has been set up and developed in the episode itself, her personality needed to be more headstrong for it to work. She's been shown as calm, kind, understanding but a bit of pushover that goes along with shit she doesn't agree with because of her situation, suddenly getting her "eat the rich" switch flipped over Makoto who's been bumming it for awhile feels unnatural.
ESPECIALLY considering she's working for a billionaire. Like where's that distrust and hate when her team is getting orders from Mr. Shady Business from the Five Stars?
Kind of a shame, I felt like she could've been the first to flip and leave Tactics for their clearly morally reprehensible ways but if that happens now it'll kinda feel unearned because she actually is kinda terrible too lol